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End of Season Classics

Post by emmea90 » 03/09/2018, 14:45

End of Season Classics (Category 2)
Here we are to the last contest of the season, the end of Sesason Classics, dedicated to all the Classics after Tour de France. You are called to improve the most famous classics in the following way

RideLondon Classic
#1 - Try to redraw the classic to obtaining a route more similar to 2012 olympic route, reducing the chances for the sprinters to get on the finish line but not completely cutting them out. As additional difficulty, you cannot face the same side of a climb more than two times. You cannot move real start and finish line

Clasica San Sebastian
#2 - Murgil Bidea is a beautiful climb, but in the last years makes the race always decided on the last climb. Design a better route for San Sebastian Classics that allows the race to be decided also earlier. You cannot move real start and finish line

Euroeyes Cyclassic
#3 - Same for Ridelondon, find a better route for the classic, but leaving it for the same type of riders. You cannot move real start and finish line

Bretagne Classic
#4 - Improve the race making it more harder than is now, inserting Bretagne Cotes and eventually ribinous. Race should fit a "Gilbert" rider. You cannot move real start and finish line

GP Quebec
#5 - Try to recreate a similar race in a city of similar dimensions in Europe.

GP Montreal
#6 - Try to recreate a similar race in a city of similar dimensions in Europe. The city must not be far from city of contest #5 and must be in the same country.

Il Lombardia
#7 - Draw your best version of a Lombardia finishing in Como (same Lombardia Como finish)
#8 - Draw your best version of a Lombardia finishing in Lecco (same Lombardia Lecco finish)
#9 - Draw your best version of a Lombardia finishing in Bergamo (same Lombardia Bergamo finish)
#10 - Draw your best version of a Lombardia finishing in a place at your choice
All the four Lombardia Races must be for climbers.

Deadline is October 7, h 23.59
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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by Alfa » 11/09/2018, 21:01

For the presentation, is it necessary to put same profile types for every race or not?

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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by emmea90 » 11/09/2018, 21:11

Alfa wrote:
11/09/2018, 21:01
For the presentation, is it necessary to put same profile types for every race or not?
Not
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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by emilio.torre » 11/09/2018, 21:30

emmea90 wrote:
11/09/2018, 20:57
emilio.torre wrote:
11/09/2018, 15:24
emilio.torre wrote:
11/09/2018, 15:23
I correct the error
Your Bretagne classic isn't working
I check a moment

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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by Arnorius » 11/09/2018, 21:38

The two cities of 5 and 6 should be close to each other. How far is that?

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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by emilio.torre » 11/09/2018, 22:04

emmea90 wrote:
11/09/2018, 20:57
emilio.torre wrote:
11/09/2018, 15:24
emilio.torre wrote:
11/09/2018, 15:23
I correct the error
Your Bretagne classic isn't working
Problem solved

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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by emmea90 » 11/09/2018, 23:35

Arnorius wrote:
11/09/2018, 21:38
The two cities of 5 and 6 should be close to each other. How far is that?
More or less same or less distance than Montreal City and Quebec City
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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by emmea90 » 11/09/2018, 23:37

emilio.torre wrote:
11/09/2018, 22:04
emmea90 wrote:
11/09/2018, 20:57
emilio.torre wrote:
11/09/2018, 15:24

I correct the error
Your Bretagne classic isn't working
Problem solved
Did you seriously presented a GP Plouay as Variant of Bretagne Classic?
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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by Arnorius » 12/09/2018, 9:43

emmea90 wrote:
11/09/2018, 23:37
Did you seriously presented a GP Plouay as Variant of Bretagne Classic?
You should see the rest too 59@@

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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by emmea90 » 12/09/2018, 10:36

Arnorius wrote:
12/09/2018, 9:43
emmea90 wrote:
11/09/2018, 23:37
Did you seriously presented a GP Plouay as Variant of Bretagne Classic?
You should see the rest too 59@@
Yes, i don't want to ... in italy we said "girare il coltello nella piaga"
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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by Arnorius » 16/09/2018, 10:15

Is it ok for the Lombardia finish in Bergamo to take the finish of the Giro stage last year or does it have to be the finish of Lombardia? Because the diffirence is minimal and i think the one from the Giro is safer :p

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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by Alfa » 16/09/2018, 19:43

My End Season Classics : maps/tours/view/10418

#1 : RideLondon Classic maps/viewtrack/240726

My London Classic is more hilly and is offering more chances to attackers.

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#2 : Donostia Klasikoa/Clasica San Sebastian maps/viewtrack/240845

My Klasikoa is harder than original one, I added Erlaitz in last climb just after Jaizkibel to force riders who have less chances to maybe attack in the Jaizkibel and resist in Erlaitz. The end of downhill is not so far of finish line, so a downhill expert has his chances too.

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#3 : EuroEyes Cyclassic maps/viewtrack/240881

I retired some passages on Waseberg because I think it is useless. I added the Hülsenberg, not steep at all but very long. The wind can be there. I added more distance to give more chances to attackers, but not too much.

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#4 : Bretagne Classic Ouest-France maps/viewtrack/241024

My Bretagne Classic can be very interesting. There are not too much climbs at the end, to force attackers to attack (logic). The roads are sinuous just before the final, too.

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#5 : GP Cycliste de Patras maps/viewtrack/242596

I choose Greece for my Canadian Races. Patras is a very interesting city with amazing landscapes. This city has the same importance in Greece than Québec in Canada.

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#6 : GP Cycliste d'Athènes maps/viewtrack/241210

This race can be very interesting. This climb of Attiko Alsos is not too hard but allows attacks.

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#7 : Il Lombardia (Como) maps/viewtrack/241382

I hardened the Como Lombardia a lot to see more attacks on Sormano. SuperGhisallo is here to tire the teams and allow more attacks.

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#8 : Il Lombardia (Lecco) maps/viewtrack/241674

I kept all the key parts of Lecco Lombardia but added the little climb of Calolziocorte at the end, to give more interest to attacks in Villa Vergano.

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#9 : Il Lombardia (Bergamo) maps/viewtrack/241832

I totally changed Bergamo Lombardia. I added new climbs very unknown but more interesting.

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#10 : Il Lombardia (Morbegno) maps/viewtrack/242263

This Lombardia is for pure climbers. The Passo San Marco will be decisive for the victory. The climb of Civo can be interesting to watch too.

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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by jibvalverde » 21/09/2018, 0:07

Can we make two versions of the "End of Season Classics" ?

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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by emmea90 » 22/09/2018, 10:31

jibvalverde wrote:
21/09/2018, 0:07
Can we make two versions of the "End of Season Classics" ?
For the non-GT contest you can deliver 5 versions
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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by chuimiento » 23/09/2018, 21:39

Here is my proposal for the End of Season classics

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01 RideLondon Classic

A new, more hilly and just a little longer RideLondon classic. The route leaves London to the South heading to the same hills in Surrey that were protagonist of previous RideLondon classics as well as the Olympic Games of 2012. As it isn't allowed to face one climbs more than two times, the race features a circuit, which will be completed only two times. Each lap has five hills, which makes an overall of ten ascents. The last summit is reached 40 kilometres before the finish line, but the previous terrain is enough unstable for the race to be broken in many groups by that time. The last, flat, 40 kilometres will be a quick, flat chase until the streets of London between the groups and breakaways that might be formed in the middle part.

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02 Clásica de San Sebastián / Donostiako Klasikoa

Since this Klasikoa might appear equivalent to the real route (4400 metres of positive denivel and the same length -228 km-), it is indeed slighly different in its features. This is a more focused on long and smooth climbs race than a short muritos one. The first part is clearly harder, with more 2nd category-type climbs (Azurki Gaina, Santa Águeda) and with less plain between them. This will make the first breakaway probably more relevant than in the classic route. After the first part, the profile becomes smoother though, with a detour to Lasarte. Then, two mid-distance climbs are linked before a complete pass by Donostia. After the cross of Donostia the main part of the race starts: the two linked climbs of Jaizkibel, and, eventually, Arkale, will make the final selection that will fight for the victory in the streets of the Basque city. Eventually, Jaizkibel takes its place in the route being the decisive climb and forcing the riders to attack resting 40 km to the finish line, as Arkale is not hard enough to break the race. Also, the more mountainous first half will make a tough race, whose gaps will be higher in the last kilometres, difficulting the chasing in the final flat.

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03 Euroeyes Cyclassic

The Euroeyes Cyclassic is a race for sprinters. However, the little cotes near the finish line might let an attacker to take some advantage from the group or reduce the group, eliminating any sprinters of the fight. In this route, these cotes are given more protagonism, featuring two of them (Falkenstein and Waseberg) and making a circuit which will be ridden two times, before the final and fast walk to the center of Hamburg.

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04 Bretagne Classic - Ouest France

This route for the Bretagne Classic, unless it features less positive denivel than real races -only 1800 m in front of the usual 2700/3000 m-, makes more protagonism for the little cotes which are spoilt in all the territory of Bretagne. The route features the city of Quimper and travels to the West from the starting city of Plouay. The area of Quimper is spoilt with small ascents that will make the race hard, and break it maybe. The final 20 km with a circuit that features the famous Côte de Ty Marrec will decide eventually the race.

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05 A novo clássico do Porto

The new classic of Porto, is, added to the homonym classic in Lisbon, the two new urban circuit WT classics in Europe. The Porto classic uses the hilly environment of the Portuguese city to create a difficult one-day race, whose succession will break the race and only the stronger could fight for the win. Specially the Cordoaria climb, in a steep street with slopes over 8%, and whose summit is reached just 500 metres from the finish line, will be decisive in the overcome of this classic.

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06 O novo clássico do Lisboa

As well as the Porto classic, the Lisbon one, substitute of Montreal circuit, is another urban circuit with some hard hills, which will make a complicated race. Beware with the steep and narrow roads of the center of Lisbon!

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07 Il Lombardia / Como Finish

The Lombardia classic is one of the most prestigious races in the season. The race features the main cities of the foot of the Alps in the region of Lombardia, famous cities such as Bergamo, Lecco or Como. Uusually, the famous Como lake is featured in the race, as well as the climbs surrounding it, principally Madonna del Ghisallo, which used to be the deciding climb, although in the last years the race has been forced to be harder, as Madonna is not a very steep climb.

The Como finish of Il Lombardia implies some obligations: the classic climb of Madonna del Ghisallo must be climbed, Colma di Sormano is almost necessarym to make the race hard and to encourage early attackers, and Civiglio seems the only entity climb possible in the last 25 kilometres of the race. This route, in fact, has some minor changes from the classic one that will change briefly the strategy of the race. At first, the first part of the route is way harder than usually. The race starts in Brescia and takes some incursions into the mountains, with climbs like Brione -just after the start-, which will make the race difficult to control allowing a better breakaway; the Corno climb, also headed to the break; and, after Bergamo, the system Forcella di Bura - Culmine San Pietro, two long-range, smooth climbs, which will not have a lot of movements, but will for sure make the group more tired. In these ascents the breakaway might enlarge dangerously its advantage. After Lecco, the main part of the route starts. At first, Madonna del Ghisallo will assure the positions for the ascent of Colma di Sormano, whose summit is reached 50 kilometres before the finish line. Here, early attackers could have their first shot. After it, a fast, plain trajectory to Como, where Civiglio starts. This short, steep climb will be probably the most important climb as the climb is reached with only 15 kilometres left. To finish, the San Fermo della Bataglia climb has been changed. The route goes southwards to face the Lipomo climb, shorter and smoother, and with less descent to Como. This more smooth finish will force the riders to attack earlier, and the final battle will be more difficult to control as the terrain is going to be more flat in the last 10 kilometres.

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08 Il Lombardia / Lecco Finish

The Lecco finish Lombardia is the route with less editions in the historical routes of this classic. Nevertheless, this finish offers some great climbs and possibilities to make a beautiful and hard classic. In this route, the race can be selected at many possible places: at first, early in the Roncola Alta climb, clearly the longest and tougher of the whole race. For this objective, probably teams or riders should have broke the race in the previous climbs of Ballabio and Culmine San Pietro, to have an uncontrolled race for the last 60 kilometres. The second climb to break the race is the Boccio 2nd category-type ascent. This climb is reached only with 23 kilometres left to the finish line, and without any flat until the end of the route. This will be probably the climb where the race might break heading to the finish line. Finally, the short Galbiate, at 6 kilometres to the arrival, is the last opportunity to decide who wins this Lombardia, with a fast final descent to the streets of Lecco.

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09 Il Lombardia / Bergamo Finish

The Bergamo Lombardia is usually the hardest of the classic arrival cities. This time, the Bergamo route has been changed drastically: no more Valcava and new climbs, heading to a northern area of the region. This Lombardia features long and smooth climbs, which are linked each other. The first part, from Busto Arsizio, is really flat, with the only exception of Madonna del Ghisallo. These first kilometres will be calm and feature probably a large breakaway. After Lecco, the race starts. At first, the system Ballabio - Culmine San Pietro, where some teams can make the race hard. After it, a long descent to San Pellegrino Terme, town where the Cappella Alpini di Dosella climb starts. This climb, as a nearly-1st category one, and being 60 kilometres away from the finish line, is the first shot for long-range attacks. After it, a technical descent heads the race to the last entity climb: the ascent to Aviatico, a variant of famous Selvino climb which is long, smooth but with great slopes at some points. This climb will be the main place to break the race, as is followed by a long and fast descent to a 10 kilometres flat before the last hill of Citta Alta, in the streets of Bergamo.

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10 Il Lombardia / Varese Finish

A new proposal for a Varese finish of Il Lombardia. The route features new climbs, placed in the Western side of the region, surrounded by Switzerland at the East, and the Lago Maggiore to the West, in the mountainous area northwards from Varese. The route starts in Monza, one of the main cities in the metropolitan area of Milan, and famous worldwide because of its racing circuit. The race will head to the North to face some classic climbs and cities: Colle Brianza, Lecco, Madonna del Ghisallo, Como and San Fermo della Battglia climb. After this point, the new part starts: the route surrounds the Varese area by its east and goes to the first climb: Monte Marzio. This summit is reached far from the finish and movements are not expected at this point, but maybe some teams want to maje the race hard. After it, the Passo del Cuvignone is the first shot for early attackers: 9.41 kilometres at a 8.72 average, a very hard climb placed at 75 to go. After it, the Sette Termini climb is the main place for breaking the race: longer but smoother (11 km at 6% average), is crowned at only 40 kilometres from the finish line. Finally, the feared Monte Mondonico, a real wall of 2 kilometres at 11% average with 19% and even 26% slopes, just lefts 20 kilometres of false flat to the finish line in Varese.

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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by Arnorius » 26/09/2018, 12:19

Here are my classics

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RideLondon Classic
I tried to put some extra hills in the race, but keeping it at around 200kms. This gives more chances for the aggressive riders to force something. As we have seen the last years in this race, the distance betwee Box Hill and The Mall is too long for a group to stay in front of the bunch. So i decided to search for some gravel roads in london. I fount two which are useable. The first one is almost 5 km long and probably the most tricky one. The finish on the mall is in the opposite direction, just as it was for the olympic road race :)

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Clasica San Sebastian

This classica is a little bit harder, but there is no long steep climb at the end. I decided to put some longer climbs in it and a really small hill with 5k to go. That is probably where the last decision will be forced, but the peleton will be really reduced because of the first few climbs.

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Euroeyes Cyclassic

Yeah, just a stupid race in my opinion... :p Tried to put three big loops in this route. The last one has some climbs but probably this will just stay a bunch sprint.

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Bretagne Classic

A nice region, but hard to find good climbs if you dont know the region... I tried to make it an Amstel Gold Race type of race, with a lot of narrow roads and short climbs the whole day. Also some gravel roads in it.

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GP Quebec
I think it is difficult to say the cities i chose are equal then the cities in Canada, because it's a totally different region. But i think the Canadian cities as the ones i chose both have some history and a historical centre, and they are the moest important cities in their region. It also are cities that are built on a hill or more then one hill, so that makes it easier to draw an urban route.

For the Quebec race i chose Porto, Just as Quebec the finish is on a long climb, not steep but just a hard sprint. For the rest there is only one climb in the circuit. I think this circuit is almost the same as the one in Quebec, so the winners should also be a strong sprinter or a classics rider.

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GP Montreal

For this race I chose Lisbon as city. In my opnion this race should be harder than the other one so there are four climbs in each lap. Two hard ones and two less hard ones near the end. The finish is on top of the Parque Eduardo VII. Up there there is a nice vieuw over the city and the river. I think sprinters have no chances to win this race, this is a race for climbers and classics riders.

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Il Lombardia

I tried to make sure the four routes don't have the same climbs. Lombardia is big so it is possible to make four different races with all different climbs.

Como

I decided to take this race around the Como lake, with some climbs on the Western side of the lake, and the final as it always is with madonna, Sormano, Civiglio and San fermo. Just because there is no better way to finish.

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Lecco

This race has a lot of quite high climbs in it, so it will probably a survival race. The last climb is the one to the ghost town of Consonno.

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Bergamo

Difficult to have a different final for this finish, most climbs are far from bergamo so the Citta Alta is needed. Before that i tried to put a totally new route with the same final as from the town of Selvino.

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Brescia

As I said I tried to make routes with all different climbs, so I just went more to the East towards Lake Garda for this race, finishing in the fouth big town on the border of the Lombardian Alps. The race has three longer climbs in the middle and two 5 km long, but quite steep climbs near the end, the last one is a narrow road in the forrest, with a descend towards the finish line. All will probably decided on the last two climbs.

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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by jibvalverde » 05/10/2018, 19:17

Here is my End of Season Classics : maps/tours/view/10422
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London-Surrey Classic : London-London (197,6km)

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Like in the race of Olympics Game 2012, Box Hill will be in the center of the race with two climbs. But it won't be the toughest climb of the day with Dunley Hill (1km à 9,7%), which precede Box Hill the two times. With 63km after last climb of Box Hill, sprinters will have the time to com back but should be careful of the three climbs in Wimbledon.

Clasica San Sebastian : San Sebastian-San Sebastian (232,2km)

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With more than 4000m of D+, it will be a though Clasica, as soon as the first 100km with three big climbs. But, of all 18 climbs of the day, the thougher will be the Jaizkibel, as usual. With two ascents, with 74km and 39km to go, it will be a good moment to attack even if Arkale and Kutaro Mendia offers good percentage too.

EuroEyes Classic : Hambourg-Hambourg (230km)

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No surprise, it will be for sprinters. They must care to the three climbs of Tafleberg-Waserberg but to Kosterberg too. In the race for the first time, it will be place between two laps for 5 climbs in less than 40km;

Bretagne Classic : Plouay-Plouay (244,5km)

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It should be more an Ardennais than an Flandrien. With 27 climbs, five laps of differents circuits and a max of four ascents of the same climb (Ty-Meur, Ty-Marec and Kervadec), it's a mini-Liège that organisators offer to the peloton. If the tryptique Ty-Meur, Ty-Marec and Kervadec will be decisive, favourites should be careful to the though and inedit Moulin Coet-Cren climb (1.0 Km à 7.3%), very narrow.

GP Québec : Saint-Etienne - Saint-Etienne (192km)

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A lap of 10,5km to do 18 times and a very though lap with three climbs : the Mur of Vivarize (300m à 10%), Monchovet (600m à 7,5%) and Climb of the Faculté (2,1km à 5,6%). The last one should be the dcisive one, the finish being judged at the top.

GP Montréal : Lyon-Lyon (198km)

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Like the Canadian race, the GP Lyon will offer a great game's field for every rider with two climbs (of the Boucle and the tradionnal Fourvière) but also a narrow paved street, Sala (500m). A very open race !

Lombardia Côme : Bergame-Côme (229,8km)

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Villa Vergano, Muri di Sormano and a double climb of Madonna di Ghisallo by two versants : a very though Lombardia traced in classique roads.

Lombardia Lecce : Sondrio-Lecco (224km)

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"Only" five climbs but more than 550m of D+ ! After a difficult Monte Caspano (9,7km à 6%), riders will discover an hell of 25km, the Passo San Marco (7% average!). And, at the top, it will be three more climbs (Alino, Passo di Valpiana and Sopracornola) and 130km to go...

Lombardia Bergamo : Milan - Begamo (249km)

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Seven climbs and a lot of percentage ! The sequence of the two climbs San Michele (3km à 10%)-Santa Maria del Grogio (5km à 7%) will make a first selection but we'll see the best in action ine the mythic Colle San Fermo and its 8km à 10% average. At the top, it will remain 50km and two "little" climbs.

Lombardia perso : Milan-San Pellegrino Terme (202km)

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After 90km quite easy, riders will climb Colle Gallo (6,6km à 5,7% average) before to go along the lake di Endine and the terrible Monte Pizzo (6,5km à 9,7% average). A though climb followeb by an another with the Colle di Zambla (15km à 5,5% average). At the top, it will remain 52km and favorites will have already moved. Last 30km will be in descent even if it will remain climb of Via Piazzole (2,2km à 7,4%) before to go to San Pellegrino terme.

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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by Pincoletto » 06/10/2018, 1:22

Voila, my "End of Season Classics"
maps/tours/view/10537
Uno dei pochi sport in cui Berlusconi non abbia investito una lira è il ciclismo, dunque qualcosa di buono deve averlo

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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

Post by AZ1234T » 06/10/2018, 20:00

This is my End of Season Classics :
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Re: Contest #9 - End of Season Classics

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