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Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by emmea90 » 15/03/2018, 10:40

Contest #5 - Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

For the third regular contest of the season - fifth on overall - the topic will be, of course, the spring classics.

We took in exam some classics and the target will be different case by case. You can see this contests as a collection of small contests.

In the final delivery you have to deliver ONE single tour with all the classics insert in exactly the order of this post.

Omloop Het Nieuwsblad
Track 1 - Order in the tour: #1
In the last edition of the Omloop the race was crap due to have the only Muur as a real hard cobbled climb near the finish. Organizers decided to change it keeping the Muur as the key point and finish in Ninove but you have to change the route to have more battle in the middle portion like it was until 2017 edition. You have also to keep the race under 200 Km as it's only the first classic of the season

Strade Bianche
Track 1 - Order in the tour: #2
Are you bored from the finish in Siena? Yes, we are. The track of the strade Bianche will be about a complete re-design of the route changing the finish in a way that kept more longer portions on gravel road in the last Kms and also inserts some technical difficulties before the finish. The route should favourite early attacks but should not have too much km on asphalt than on gravel road in the final part as it's now.

Milano-Sanremo
Track 1 - Order in the tour: #3
Milano-Sanremo has to change. In the origin race was supposed to be 50% mass sprint, 50% attacks. Find a solution that keeping the key points of "La Classicissima" restored equal chances for late attackers. You cannot change start and finish points (see Milano-Sanremo 2018 in the calendar) and you have to stay under 300 Kms.

Track 2 - Order in the tour: #4
After the anti-system victory of Lega and Five Star Movement at the last elections, City of Sanremo decided not to pay anymore for the finish. You have to re-create a new Sanremo ending it in another place - not necessary in Liguria - but keeping start in Milano. You have to keep start point, staying over 290 and under 300 Kms. You cannot do loops or circuits. You have to insert similar difficulties, for place, length and slopes to Capi, Cipressa and Poggio. Turchino is a plus in the evaluation, but not required.

Track 3 - Order in the tour: #5
Unfortunately also Milan didn't decide to pay anymore for the start. Your job is to re-create again this classic between other two places in Italy. Of course you cannot use pieces of the previous track. It's not necessary drawing it in North Italy but start should be in a city comparable with Milan. (Turin, Rome, Florence, Venice, Naples etc...)

Gent-Wevelgem
Track 1 - Order in the tour: #6
The track here is simply about hardening the route after that Cassel was not present anymore in it. Think as you want but consider you cannot add more laps on Kemmelberg as Women's and Under 23 races has to pass over it. Of course you cannot move the finish line.

Ronde Van Vlaanderen
Track 1 - Order in the tour: #7
Let's make a FULL Ronde, for Full ronde, I mean you have to insert in the route all of the following bers at least one time: Muur, Bosberg, Koppenberg, Eikenberg, Taaienberg, Steenbekdries, Kruisberg/Hotond, Oude Kwaremont, Paterberg, Leberg, Berendries, Tenbosse, Kanarieberg, Baneberg, Monteberg, Kemmelberg, Kluisberg, Nokereberg, Molenberg, Valkenberg. Yes, we are going also in the Gent-Wevelgem zone, why vasting the first Kms doing all flat? You can start and finish where you want, of course in Flanders.

Track 2 - Order in the tour: #8
The second track about Ronde will be about Muur. You have to inser Muur in the route keeping it as a key part for the final outcome but keeping the finish line in Oudenaarde as it's today.

Paris-Roubaix
Track 1 - Order in the tour: #9
There is one forgotten Paris-Roubaix sector that is not anymore in the route: Phalempin à Gondecourt (maps/viewtrack/68001). Redesign the Roubaix keeping length and key parts to include this five star sector in the route. You can add it or you can choose to replace another hard sector with it.

Track 2 - Order in the tour: #10
Redesign the Paris-Roubaix in a belgian zone of your choice. You can help yourself with cobble map for zone and cobbles difficulty. Remember it has to be a Roubaix, not a Ronde, so don't use 10% or above Muurs.

Amstel Gold Race
Track 1 - Order in the tour: #11
After removing last Cauberg, Amstel organization decide to place again Amstel finish line in Maastricht. Redesign the route according to this decision, making an enyojable route with attacks that has to be done in the middle portion like in 2017 edition.

La Fleche Wallone
Track 1 - Order in the tour: #12
Redesign la Fleche Wallone removing Mur de Huy as uphill finish but keeping it as a key part in the final (last or penultimate climb) with a route that allows the race to be decided before the Mur

Track 2 - Order in the tour: #13
Redesign la Fleche Wallone in another zone of Wallonie at your choice, moving start and finish line. Mur de Huy must be present in the route in a position of your choice, not necessary as a key point. You cannot, of course, end in Liege and you have to choose a city comparable to Huy or big for the finish.

Liege-Bastogne-Liege
Track 1 - Order in the tour: #14
Redesign the Liege-Bastogne-Liege removing the finish in Ans. As in the Amstel Gold race, you have to propose a route that support the attacks in the middle portion of the race. Of course, you have to pass on Bastogne in the route. Finish cannot be uphill.

ALL THE RACES MUST BE DONE WITH THEIR RESPECTIVE ASO STYLES. Use Fleche Wallone style for Amstel. This will make comparison more easy for us. For race with a lot of climbs, you can decide not to insert slopes on profile if overlaps. I reccomend you all too choose VERY LARGE profile to use full x-axis.

The deadline will be on 22/4 when the winner of Liege-Bastogne-Liege crosses the finish line.

Please take your time in submitting the route, you won't win anything for being quick.
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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by emmea90 » 21/03/2018, 19:42

CaramelMou wrote:
21/03/2018, 18:32
Challenge 3 is quite hard if we keep the key points you mentioned, keep the actual start, the actual finish line and try to stay under 300km. I don't know if i'm the only one having trouble, i've got an idea to eventually get under 300km but i can't make much change because of the 300km limit ... I'm at 306, i'm not that much over the limit but cutting the 6km will make my MSR very similar to the real one.
Yes, I know, it's made on purpose. You can make little edits to original route but not too much.
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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by CaramelMou » 21/03/2018, 20:48

Ok thanks, i was afraid of being too similar, now i can go on and focus on the other races.

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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by Belgian4444 » 21/03/2018, 22:05

emmea90 wrote:
21/03/2018, 19:42

You can make little edits to original route but not too much.
Choosing a different side of Cipressa to climb is ok, right?

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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by emmea90 » 21/03/2018, 22:37

Belgian4444 wrote:
21/03/2018, 22:05
emmea90 wrote:
21/03/2018, 19:42

You can make little edits to original route but not too much.
Choosing a different side of Cipressa to climb is ok, right?
You can do what you want, just keep the 300 km limit and start/finish line places
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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by toivonen56 » 21/03/2018, 22:48

emmea90 wrote:
21/03/2018, 15:08
toivonen56 wrote:
21/03/2018, 14:21
se scriveste le regole anche in italiano sarebbe una bella cosa, c'è gente che non lo sa, non siamo mica tutti intelligenti come voi
This is an international forum, not an Italian forum and not all of us have time to write also rules in Italian. No one French or Spanish or German complained about that.
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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by mauro » 22/03/2018, 17:31

toivonen56 wrote:
21/03/2018, 22:48
emmea90 wrote:
21/03/2018, 15:08
toivonen56 wrote:
21/03/2018, 14:21
se scriveste le regole anche in italiano sarebbe una bella cosa, c'è gente che non lo sa, non siamo mica tutti intelligenti come voi
This is an international forum, not an Italian forum and not all of us have time to write also rules in Italian. No one French or Spanish or German complained about that.
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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by Alfa » 22/03/2018, 17:51

Can I move the finish line 300 m earlier? It's still on via roma. (for Milano-Sanremo #1)

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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by jibvalverde » 22/03/2018, 23:30

CaramelMou wrote:
21/03/2018, 18:32
Challenge 3 is quite hard if we keep the key points you mentioned, keep the actual start, the actual finish line and try to stay under 300km. I don't know if i'm the only one having trouble, i've got an idea to eventually get under 300km but i can't make much change because of the 300km limit ... I'm at 306, i'm not that much over the limit but cutting the 6km will make my MSR very similar to the real one.
It's sure it's tough to make many differences with the real one in this challenge but we "just" have to give more possibilities to attacks. So, if we take 2017 and 2018 edition, it's not needed a lot.

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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by emmea90 » 22/03/2018, 23:41

Alfa wrote:
22/03/2018, 17:51
Can I move the finish line 300 m earlier? It's still on via roma. (for Milano-Sanremo #1)
No
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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by Ded-Moroz » 25/03/2018, 11:03

Spring Classics
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Omloop Het Nieuwsblad
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KOM SPRINTS: Edelareberg (1.5 Km at 3.4%, Km 62.2), Kattenberg (1.3 Km at 1.8%, Km 67.7), Varent - 2 (1.9 Km at 3.0%, Km 84.3), Eikenberg (1.4 Km at 3.7%, Km 90.2), Koppenberg (1.0 Km at 4.9%, Km 99.1), Oude Kwaremont (2.2 Km at 4.0%, Km 110.4), Hotondberg (1.3 Km at 4.5%, Km 116.4), Kruisberg (1.2 Km at 5.8%, Km 118.4), Bosrede (1.1 Km at 8.4%, Km 126.8), Berendries (1.2 Km at 4.8%, Km 148.4), Tenbosse (0.5 Km at 4.2%, Km 155.6), Denderoordberg (0.7 Km at 3.2%, Km 167.0), Kapelmuur (1.2 Km at 6.6%, Km 172.9), Bosberg (1.5 Km at 3.0%, Km 177.1)
FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Oudenaarde (12 m, Km 65.6), Bosgat (94 m, Km 133.4).
COBBLES SECTOR: 1. Lange Munte (+, 2600 m, Km 39.4), 2. Doorn (++, 2000 m, Km 55.3), 3. Kattenberg (+, 1300 m, Km 67.7), 4. Holleweg (+, 1100 m, Km 69.5), 5. Kerkgate (++, 2600 m, Km 72.2), 6. Jagerij (+, 700 m, Km 74.5), 7. Varent - 2 (+, 700 m, Km 84.3), 8. Eikenberg (++, 1400 m, Km 90.1), 9. Koppenberg (++, 1000 m, Km 99.1), 10. Oude Kwaremont (++, 2200 m, Km 110.4), 11. Groeneweg (++, 400 m, Km 117.5), 12. Kaperij (++, 400 m, Km 132.4), 13. Haaghoek (++, 2100 m, Km 141.2), 14. Bonte (+, 300 m, Km 152.0), 15. Denderoordberg (+, 700 m, Km 167.0), 16. Kapelmuur (+++, 1200 m, Km 172.9), 17. Bosberg (+, 1300 m, Km 176.9), 18. Repingestraat (+, 300 m, Km 184.6), 19. Opperstebosstraat/Blijkheerstraat (++, 1100 m, Km 190.8), 20. Kasseide (++++, 900 m, Km 192.2)

Strade Bianche
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FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Asciano (Km 73.6), Buonconvento (Km 137.1)
DIRT SECTOR: 1. Vagliagli-1 (7700 m, Km 31.8), 2. Vagliagli-2 (9800 m, Km 43.5), 3. Monte Sante Marie (11600 m, Km 72.3), 4. Delle Fornaci - Pienza (6200 m, Km 112.1), 5. Torrenieri (6100 m, Km 129.5), 6. Buonconvento (6400 m, Km 146.8), 7. Radi A (7500 m, Km 167.8), 8. Radi B (4400 m, Km 172.9), 9. Villa Piana (5600 m, Km 184.8)

La Classicissima 1
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KOM SPRINTS: Passo del Turchino (3.7 Km at 3.7%, Km 143.6), Le Manie (5.1 Km at 6.0%, Km 205.4), Capo Mele (1.8 Km at 3.8%, Km 246.8), Capo Cervo (1.9 Km at 2.7%, Km 252.2), Capo Berta (2.2 Km at 5.5%, Km 260.1), Cipressa (1.9 Km at 11.1%, Km 275.4), Poggio (3.6 Km at 3.7%, Km 291.4), Via Duca degli Abruzzi (0.6 Km at 8.1%, Km 296.1)
FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Basaluzzo (Km 102.6), Finale Ligure (Km 215.6)

La Classicissima 2
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KOM SPRINTS: Cornigliano (1.9 Km at 5.6%, Km 268.4), Lagaccio (3.0 Km at 6.8%, Km 281.1), Oregino (1.8 Km at 5.0%, Km 284.8)
FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Felizzano (Km 100.6), Rocchetta Cairo (Km 199.1)

La Classicissima 3
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KOM SPRINTS: Rocca di Papa (17.2 Km at 3.1%, Km 238.7), Marino (0.9 Km at 7.3%, Km 251.7), Panoramica di Monte Mario (1.3 Km at 5.4%, Km 286.2), Muro di Roma (1.0 Km at 7.8%, Km 291.4)
FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Ponto Salvo (Km 90.8), Marina di Ardea (Km 201.6)

Gent-Wevelgem
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KOM SPRINTS: Zwarteberg (1.7 Km at 4.1%, Km 183.9), Baneberg (0.6 Km at 4.3%, Km 186.5), Scherpenberg (0.9 Km at 2.4%, Km 190.6), Monteberg (0.9 Km at 4.4%, Km 197.4), Kemmelberg (0.7 Km at 5.8%, Km 199.0)
FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Blauwe Sluis (Km 88.7), Ieperlee Kanaal (Km 167.7)
COBBLES SECTOR: 1. Rostraat (+++, 1300 m, Km 16.6), 2. Brieversweg (++, 1800 m, Km 49.8), 3. Damne (+, 500 m, Km 56.8), 4. Oosternieuwweg Noord (++, 2400 m, Km 75.4), 5. Lookhuisstraat (+, 1100 m, Km 126.6), 6. Vladslostraat (++, 2600 m, Km 136.7), 7. Steenstraat (++, 2100 m, Km 145.7), 8. Langemark (+, 500 m, Km 158.3), 9. Diksmuidseweg (+, 500 m, Km 165.4), 10. Kemmelberg (++, 1100 m, Km 199.3), 11. Palingbeekstraat (+++, 1300 m, Km 212.1)

Ronde Van Vlaanderen 1
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KOM SPRINTS: Baneberg(Rodeberg) (1.1 Km at 3.4%, Km 11.1), Monteberg (1.3 Km at 3.6%, Km 17.2), Kemmelberg (0.7 Km at 5.8%, Km 18.8), Kluisberg (1.1 Km at 3.9%, Km 82.9), Mont de l'Enclus (1.0 Km at 5.9%, Km 84.1), Oude Kwaremont (2.2 Km at 4.0%, Km 93.2), Paterberg (0.4 Km at 5.1%, Km 96.7), Kruisberg (1.4 Km at 5.5%, Km 107.7), Kanarieberg(Bosrede) (1.6 Km at 4.2%, Km 116.6), Tenbosse (0.4 Km at 3.8%, Km 130.8), Muur - Kapelmuur (1.2 Km at 6.7%, Km 141.1), Bosberg (1.1 Km at 4.0%, Km 145.2), Valkenberg (0.9 Km at 4.5%, Km 168.7), Berendries (1.4 Km at 3.9%, Km 172.6), Molenberg (0.5 Km at 5.4%, Km 186.1), Koppenberg (0.8 Km at 5.6%, Km 221.2), Taaienberg (0.9 Km at 3.1%, Km 227.3), Eikenberg (1.4 Km at 3.7%, Km 231.8), Leberg (0.7 Km at 2.5%, Km 239.5)
FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Avelgem (Km 77.5), Lierde (Km 162.1)
COBBLES SECTOR: 1. Kemmelberg (++, 1100 m, Km 19.2), 2. Oude Kwaremont (++, 2100 m, Km 93.2), 3. Paterberg (+, 400 m, Km 96.7), 4. Geraardsbergen (+++, 1200 m, Km 141.1), 5. Bosberg (+, 400 m, Km 145.1), 6. Molenberg (+, 300 m, Km 185.8), 7. Nokereberg (+, 400 m, Km 206.3), 8. Koppenberg (++, 800 m, Km 221.2), 9. Steenbeekdries (++, 2100 m, Km 225.6), 10. Taaienberg (+, 1000 m, Km 227.3), 11. Eikenberg (++, 1400 m, Km 231.8), 12. Kerkgate (++, 1300 m, Km 249.0), 13. Ruiterstraat (+++, 800 m, Km 250.4)

Ronde Van Vlaanderen 2
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KOM SPRINTS: Kluisberg (0.8 Km at 4.6%, Km 74.3), Mont de l'Enclus (0.7 Km at 7.2%, Km 75.5), Oude Kwaremont (2.2 Km at 4.0%, Km 84.6), Paterberg (0.4 Km at 6.6%, Km 89.4), Hoogberg-Hotond (2.2 Km at 4.2%, Km 95.1), Kruisberg (1.3 Km at 5.6%, Km 102.2), Bosrede (0.9 Km at 9.6%, Km 109.7), Taaienberg (0.7 Km at 4.3%, Km 114.5), Koppenberg (0.8 Km at 5.5%, Km 127.2), Eikenberg (1.4 Km at 4.0%, Km 134.2), Kattenberg (1.5 Km at 3.6%, Km 144.1), Varent (1.4 Km at 4.6%, Km 154.5), Steenberg (0.8 Km at 4.5%, Km 164.4), Molenberg (0.5 Km at 5.3%, Km 172.4), Berendries (1.1 Km at 5.2%, Km 189.2), Tenbosse (0.5 Km at 4.4%, Km 193.9), Denderoordberg (0.7 Km at 3.2%, Km 205.3), Kapelmuur (1.2 Km at 6.9%, Km 211.3), Bosberg (1.1 Km at 3.9%, Km 215.4), Valkenberg (0.8 Km at 4.8%, Km 240.4)
FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Flandrienhoeve (Km 80.3), Doolbosweg (Km 180.2)
COBBLES SECTOR: 1. Neringenstraat (++, 2100 m, Km 34.1), 2. Wannegem-Lede (++, 2100 m, Km 53.5), 3. Doorn (++, 2000 m, Km 56.3), 4. Oude Kwaremont (++, 1300 m, Km 84.6), 5. Watermolenstraat (++, 600 m, Km 87.2), 6. Paterberg (+, 400 m, Km 89.4), 7. Donderij 1 (+, 500 m, Km 111.9), 8. Donderij 2 (++, 1000 m, Km 113.2), 9. Taaienberg (+, 900 m, Km 114.5), 10. Steenbeekdries (++, 2100 m, Km 120.3), 11. Koppenberg (++, 600 m, Km 126.9), 12. Gieterijstraat (+, 300 m, Km 131.9), 13. Eikenberg (++, 900 m, Km 134.2), 14. Kattenberg (+, 1300 m, Km 143.3), 15. Ruiterstraat (+++, 800 m, Km 144.9), 16. Kerkgate (++, 2500 m, Km 149.9), 17. Varent (++, 700 m, Km 154.5), 18. Jagerij (+, 800 m, Km 156.7), 19. Haaghoek (++, 2100 m, Km 168.7), 20. Molenberg (+, 200 m, Km 172.2), 21. Borstekouterstraat (++, 200 m, Km 176.6), 22. Doolbosweg (+, 2300 m, Km 179.7), 23. Denderoordberg (+, 700 m, Km 205.3), 24. Geraadsbergen (+++, 1200 m, Km 211.3), 25. Bosberg (+, 500 m, Km 215.3)

Paris-Roubaix
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FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Noyelles-sur-Escaut (Km 99.3), Attiches (Km 190.2)
COBBLES SECTOR: 1. Paillencourt > Eswars (++, 1700 m, Km 116.3), 2. Abscon à Marquette (+++, 1600 m, Km 134.0), 3. Hornaing à Wandignies (++++, 3700 m, Km 145.2), 4. Warlaing à Brillon (+++, 2500 m, Km 152.3), 5. Tilloy à Sars-et-Rosières (++++, 2400 m, Km 155.2), 6. Bouvignes à Les Arcins (++, 1700 m, Km 164.1), 7. Orchies (+++, 1800 m, Km 170.3), 8. Auchy-lez-Orchies à Bersée (++++, 2700 m, Km 177.8), 9. Mons-en-Pévèle (+++++, 3000 m, Km 183.6), 10. Phalempin à Gondecourt (+++++, 3500 m, Km 200.7), 11. Route d'Ennetieres (+++, 1000 m, Km 210.6), 12. Petit Ennetiéres (+, 1300 m, Km 213.4), 13. Rue des Neuf Bonniers (+, 500 m, Km 222.1), 14. Cysoing à Bourghelles (+++, 1500 m, Km 231.6), 15. Bourghelles à Wannehain (++++, 1500 m, Km 234.1), 16. Camphin-en-Pevele (++++, 1800 m, Km 239.3), 17. Carrefour de l’Arbre (+++++, 2100 m, Km 242.3), 18. Willems à Hem (++, 1500 m, Km 249.5), 19. Roubaix (+, 200 m, Km 255.1)

Belgian Cobble Classic
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FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Leuven (Km 96.7), Saint-Gery (Km 167.1)
COBBLES SECTOR: 1. Walestraat (+, 700 m, Km 23.3), 2. Reepkenslei (+, 1200 m, Km 48.4), 3. Hoog-Lachenen (++++, 2200 m, Km 56.9), 4. Bertembosstraat (+++, 600 m, Km 90.0), 5. Hoegardestraat (+, 500 m, Km 101.4), 6. Noéstraat (++, 500 m, Km 105.9), 7. Vuilenbosstraat (++, 1000 m, Km 109.4), 8. Burettes à Mollendaal (++++, 4500 m, Km 117.8), 9. Grez-Doiceau à Dion-le-Mont (+++, 1600 m, Km 133.4), 10. Walhain - Sauvenière (+++, 6000 m, Km 155.6), 11. Rue de l'Abbaye (+++, 3500 m, Km 175.7), 12. Sainte-Catherine > Villeroux (+++, 1900 m, Km 182.1), 13. Court-Saint-Etienne > Villeroux (++++, 4900 m, Km 190.6), 14. Chemin du Puits (+++, 700 m, Km 196.0), 15. Lasne > Moriensart (++++, 2600 m, Km 201.8), 16. Chemin du Crucifix (++, 5400 m, Km 212.9), 17. Chemin du Lanternier (++, 1000 m, Km 218.3), 18. Rue du Dimont (+, 1400 m, Km 222.1), 19. Chemin de la Sablonnière (++++, 800 m, Km 223.2), 20. Chemin d'Odrimont (++, 800 m, Km 227.6), 21. Chemin du Bois Magonette (++, 1600 m, Km 230.2), 22. Brassinelaan (+++, 300 m, Km 240.0)

Amstel Gold Race
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KOM SPRINTS: Chevremont (1.3 Km at 3.7%, Km 90.5), Vaalserberg (3.2 Km at 3.8%, Km 112.0), Camerig (2.6 Km at 3.4%, Km 119.6), Eperheide (2.4 Km at 3.9%, Km 127.0), Hoogcruts (0.9 Km at 5.4%, Km 137.1), Mheer (0.7 Km at 3.2%, Km 142.1), Sint Geertruid (0.9 Km at 3.6%, Km 148.5), Gulperberg (1.3 Km at 3.4%, Km 167.7), Botterweck (0.8 Km at 5.7%, Km 172.2), Trintelen (1.3 Km at 3.5%, Km 177.8), Eyserbosweg (1.0 Km at 4.6%, Km 181.2), Kruishove (0.6 Km at 4.8%, Km 184.2), Klimmen (0.7 Km at 3.6%, Km 188.4), Walem (1.3 Km at 3.7%, Km 196.2), Gulpen (1.0 Km at 3.9%, Km 205.4), Heerstraat (1.0 Km at 4.1%, Km 213.2), Bemelen (0.7 Km at 3.9%, Km 227.5), Cauberg (0.8 Km at 6.8%, Km 236.7), Geulemerberg (1.4 Km at 3.5%, Km 241.7), Biesland (0.7 Km at 3.2%, Arrive)
FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Simpelveld (Km 99.9), Etenaken (Km 200.1)

La Fleche Wallone 1
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KOM SPRINTS: Montagne de la Croix (1.7 Km at 7.5%, Km 31.8), Côte de Dréhence (3.8 Km at 4.5%, Km 40.1), Côte du Warre (1.3 Km at 4.5%, Km 122.9), Côte de Plaine Sapin (2.3 Km at 4.1%, Km 133.2), Thier de Huy (1.7 Km at 7.5%, Km 160.3), Rue Fond de Ry (1.4 Km at 4.6%, Km 169.8), Cote de Wansoul (2.2 Km at 4.9%, Km 179.6), Cote de Villers-le-Bouillet (1.0 Km at 4.9%, Km 187.2), Mont Falise (0.9 Km at 6.7%, Km 195.1), Mur de Huy (1.9 Km at 6.8%, Km 200.3), Cote de Amay (1.6 Km at 5.4%, Arrive)
FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Rochefort (Km 73.8), Modave (Km 148.7)

La Fleche Wallone 2
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KOM SPRINTS: Mur de Huy (1.0 Km at 9.8%, Km 74.3), Côte de Fraiture (2.6 Km at 5.7%, Km 110.3), Côte de Chambralles (2.0 Km at 7.2%, Km 120.2), Côte de Kin (1.0 Km at 7.3%, Km 128.2), Côte de Chiesson (2.4 Km at 4.4%, Km 139.5), Côte de Xhierfomont (2.3 Km at 5.3%, Km 149.0), Chemin des Mazures (3.5 Km at 6.5%, Km 167.3), Côte de Aisomont (4.7 Km at 4.5%, Km 178.0), Côte de la Haute Levee (2.7 Km at 6.3%, Km 187.1), Côte d'Andrimont (4.8 Km at 5.0%, Km 198.5), Spalomont (1.3 Km at 6.7%, Arrive)
FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Ahin (Km 70.5), Les Forges (Km 144.4)

Liege-Bastogne-Liege
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INTERMEDIATE SPRINT: Bastogne (Km 100.5)
KOM SPRINTS: Universite de Liege (3.6 Km at 4.8%, Km 7.7), Côte de Petite Mormont (2.0 Km at 4.2%, Km 119.8), Col de Haussire (5.6 Km at 5.7%, Km 139.7), Roche-à-Frêne (2.6 Km at 6.9%, Km 174.7), Côte de Chauvehe (2.5 Km at 4.4%, Km 189.1), Côte de La Vecquee (4.4 Km at 5.1%, Km 204.1), Côte de Mazures (1.7 Km at 5.5%, Km 222.9), Côte de Tribaumont (1.5 Km at 8.2%, Km 227.6), Côte du Hansez (1.9 Km at 6.6%, Km 235.2), Côte de Fleron (3.1 Km at 5.4%, Km 249.1)
FEEDING ZONE POINTS: Herbaimont (Km 87.0), Chene-al Pierre (Km 161.5)
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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by xflyinghighx » 25/03/2018, 23:59

Gent-Wevelgem
Track 1 - Order in the tour: #6
The track here is simply about hardening the route after that Cassel was not present anymore in it. Think as you want but consider you cannot add more laps on Kemmelberg as Women's and Under 23 races has to pass over it. Of course you cannot move the finish line.
I am not sure if I understand this task right.

Are we allowed to put Cassel back onthe route?
Are we allowed to use the kemmelberg twice in the route like it is in the 2018 edition?

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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by emmea90 » 26/03/2018, 0:10

xflyinghighx wrote:
25/03/2018, 23:59
Gent-Wevelgem
Track 1 - Order in the tour: #6
The track here is simply about hardening the route after that Cassel was not present anymore in it. Think as you want but consider you cannot add more laps on Kemmelberg as Women's and Under 23 races has to pass over it. Of course you cannot move the finish line.
I am not sure if I understand this task right.

Are we allowed to put Cassel back onthe route?
Are we allowed to use the kemmelberg twice in the route like it is in the 2018 edition?
Yes
Yes, but you are not allowed to add fuuther Kemmelberg passages compared to 2018 edition.
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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by CaramelMou » 26/03/2018, 15:17

What's the limit in terms of kilometers for the Strade Bianche ?

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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by emmea90 » 26/03/2018, 23:49

CaramelMou wrote:
26/03/2018, 15:17
What's the limit in terms of kilometers for the Strade Bianche ?
UCI limit.
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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by Belgian4444 » 27/03/2018, 21:57

Here are my Spring classics (see spoiler): maps/tours/view/8730 !
Can I just add that this was a great challenge? Took some time to make, but it was very fun.
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Omloop het Nieuwsblad

Since the Omloop is basically the "tour of the Haaghoek", I tried to include it more than once. Also, the Oude Kwaremont is used in KBK so I managed to avoid that climb.
The Molenberg is often the scene of some first moves and even though it's placed quite early, the short climb could bring some nervosity early on. The favourites can be expected to show themselves on the Taaienberg, 50km from the finish.

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Strade Bianche

Numerous places where decisive attacks can be made should make this route unpredictable. The final km's are uphill and have quite the length of white roads.

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Milano - San Remo

To increase the chance of a successful attack, the finish is now right after a downhill after the climb of the Madonna della Costa. That way even a five second lead on top could make it to the end... or not.

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Milano - Sestri Levante

Note: profile looks a lot crazier than it actually is. Yet it's still harder than the normal Milan - San Remo. Not due to the length, but due the percentages. The climb of Ferriere is a light version of Le Manie, but the others are harder than the original.

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Roma - Cassino

Two important cities connected in a sub-300km route. Including Montecassino wasn't possible.

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Gent - Wevelgem

Making the route harder using the Heuvelland region isn't easy, so by increasing nervosity in the peloton with some cobble sections, it can make the route more interesting. The hilly zone is even shortened to reduce the distance between both Kemmelberg climbs and between climbs in general, making the opportunities for a break in the peloton more likely. No "plugstreets" as it's my opinion that they are basically a useless gimmick. By adding a few (easy) cobble sections, it makes it a bit harder for an organized peloton to capture possible breakaways.

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Ronde van Vlaanderen 1

Note: some weird thing happened to the Steenbeekdries at km 184-188. Its section is only from 187-188. Some early action in the Heuvelland region. The route is fairly similar to the "old" RVV route, but the ending should be harder: ending uphill in Geraardsbergen (and no, not on the Vesten). The combination Kwaremont/Paterberg/Koppenberg/Steenbeekdries/Taaienberg should gurantee an early start of the action.

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Ronde van Vlaanderen 2

4 important zones here: the classic Kwaremont/Paterberg/Koppenberg, the Molenberg, the Muur placed right in the middle of an easier section making organization hard & the second climb of the Koppenberg right before Oudenaarde.

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Paris - Roubaix

I was able to keep "the big three" (Arenberg, Mons-en-Pévèle & Carrefour) in combination with the new section.

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Genk - Wavre

Starting in Limburg, since it's the only Flemish province without a classic pro cycling race. The continuous smaller cobble sections stop at the 200km mark, where 4 long and difficult cobble sections remain, of which two are slighly uphill.

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Amstel Gold Race

From the second climb of the Cauberg, there are no easy hills left apart from the final uphill section of the Bemelerberg, but this could be the scene of a final attack.

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Fleche Wallone 1

Finish right after the Mur, and the combination of the final three climbs should make the peloton split up all over the place.

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Fleche Wallone 2

To increase difficulty, the final four climbs are very close, so a sprint uphill in Namur should not always be the key to victory.

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LBL

A lot of options here. Key section will be the Vecque, followed by some tough km's between 209-231. The Fleron is the last difficulty before the end right in the centre of Liege, along the Meuse.

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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by julianper » 28/03/2018, 11:48

emmea90 wrote:
15/03/2018, 13:00
A little extra-help. THIS is the Muur route. maps/viewtrack/92927
Is this a not-real-change we must to do?
Muur has always been climbed up by the Town Hall, Saint Bartholomew's Church and Vesten street, which is mentioned in live coverages and where Eneco Tour finishes its last stage.

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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by emmea90 » 28/03/2018, 16:16

julianper wrote:
28/03/2018, 11:48
emmea90 wrote:
15/03/2018, 13:00
A little extra-help. THIS is the Muur route. maps/viewtrack/92927
Is this a not-real-change we must to do?
Muur has always been climbed up by the Town Hall, Saint Bartholomew's Church and Vesten street, which is mentioned in live coverages and where Eneco Tour finishes its last stage.

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I am mostly speaking about final part, because some people climbed the stairs.
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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by Rmax85 » 28/03/2018, 21:09

Is Spa a good finish city for La Flèche Wallone #2 ?

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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by emmea90 » 28/03/2018, 21:18

Rmax85 wrote:
28/03/2018, 21:09
Is Spa a good finish city for La Flèche Wallone #2 ?

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Yes, even if a bit too obvious as Old Fleche Wallone ended in Spa
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Re: Spring Classics (Cat. 2, deadline on 22/4)

Post by Rmax85 » 28/03/2018, 21:49

emmea90 wrote:
28/03/2018, 21:18
Rmax85 wrote:
28/03/2018, 21:09
Is Spa a good finish city for La Flèche Wallone #2 ?

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Yes, even if a bit too obvious as Old Fleche Wallone ended in Spa
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And Stavelot or Trois-Ponts ?

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