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Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by emmea90 » 11/02/2018, 18:20

Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 13/3)
After Tour Down Harder Contest, the second contest will be about the winter stage races. What are the two most famous winter stace races? Of course the Paris - Nice and the Tirreno - Adriatico.

We propose to merge those races in a mini grand-tour of 13 stages, starting from Friday 2 and ending on Wednesday 14 March 2018

Rules to follow
- You must start in one of the districts near Paris
- You must end in center Italy, preferably on Adriatico
- Col d'Eze must be inserted in the route with Nice hosting a stage finish
- The six stages before Thursday 8 must be set ALL in France, the six stages after Thursday 8 must be set ALL in Italy
- You had to take into account that race are settled in early march, so, for example, there is snow limit. You have to avoid high altitudes. You cannot go above 1700 meters in French stages and 1800 meters in Italian stages.
- You must insert at least one mountain stage in france and at least one mountain stage in italy
- Those races are stages races but are also a preparation races for Sanremo. You must provide GC battle with Mountains and Time Trial but the focus should also be about mixed / medium mountain stages making riders like Gilbert, Alaphilippe, Kwiatkowski the chance to feature in at least 3-4 stages

Deadline: 13 march 2018, h 23.59

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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by Belgian4444 » 19/02/2018, 13:26

mauro wrote:
17/02/2018, 11:21
mauro wrote:
16/02/2018, 20:31
Il mio percorso

maps/tours/view/8442
Aggiungo che non ho copiato il percorso di Belgian4444, il cui finale della tappa di montagna italiana è identico alla mio (non guardo mai i percorsi altrui prima di aver tracciato i miei)
Haha, shows that it's a great idea ;)

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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by Rmax85 » 19/02/2018, 14:45

Hello

Here is my tour : maps/tours/view/8452

Stage 1: Saint-Maur-des-Fossés > Velizy-Villacoublay (142 km)

A first stage for punchers with a final in circuit.

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Stage 2: Nemours > Nevers-Magny-Cours (187.5 km)

The first occasion for sprinters with this finish at the entry of the Magny-Cours circuit.

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Stage 3: Moulins > Saint-Etienne (197.5 km)

A very hard finish with the strong Col du Dorier

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Stage 4: Saint-Etienne > Privas (170.5 km)

A new stage for punchers and GC pretenders with an new hard finish.

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Stage 5: Montélimar > Cavaillon (135.5 km)

A flat stage. Perfect for sprinters

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Stage 6: Cavaillon > Gassin-Ramatuelle (215.5 km)

A finish for punchers in the small town of Gassin near of La Croix Valmer and Saint-Tropez.
Warning, there is a lot of high percent during this stage : 2 times at 19% in the Col de Barral and many times in the climb to Gassin

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Stage 7: Cannes > Nice (198 km)

It's the first really stage for GC pretenders.

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Stage 8: Menton > San Remo (27.5 km)

A flat time trial from France to Italia.

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Stage 9: Imperia > Sestri Levante (189 km)

A new day for sprinters before the great fight.

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Stage 10: Massa > Pian del Falco (167 km)

The hardest day with 5300m D+ and a top finish.

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Stage 11: Pistoia > Citta di Castello (169 km)

The last occasion for sprinters.

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Stage 12: Gubbio > Fermo (189 km)

A stage for punchers but it's the last occasion for climbers to overthrow the GC.

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Stage 12: San Benedetto del Tronto > San Benedetto del Tronto (29 km)

The race will finish with an hard time trial with two climbs.

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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by ab63 » 19/02/2018, 16:14

There are only five days before Wednesday 8 and 7 after, so we should consider the same rule with Thursday 9 ?

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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by emmea90 » 19/02/2018, 16:42

ab63 wrote:
19/02/2018, 16:14
There are only five days before Wednesday 8 and 7 after, so we should consider the same rule with Thursday 9 ?
Sorry, the day name is wrong. It's Thursday 8, not Wednesday
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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by c_vass99 » 19/02/2018, 19:31

emmea90 wrote:
11/02/2018, 18:20
Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 13/3)

- The six stages before Thursday 8 must be set ALL in France, the six stages after Thursday 8 must be set ALL in Italy







Well, the stage of Thursday 8 could be everywhere?

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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by emmea90 » 19/02/2018, 19:38

c_vass99 wrote:
19/02/2018, 19:31





Well, the stage of Thursday 8 could be everywhere?
Yes.
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Post by emmea90 » 19/02/2018, 23:54

Ded-Moroz wrote:
17/02/2018, 9:36
Winter Race
Total distance - 1871.22 Km
Sprint stages - 4
Medim mountain stages - 5
Mountain stage - 2
Time trials - 2
MTF - 2
Hilly finish - 1

Link to your route is missing
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Post by emmea90 » 20/02/2018, 11:56

I've forgot to post this in UCI rules, but there is an important rule a lot of you didn't follow and is this one

Team time trial stages shall take place during the first third of the race

So, everyone who made a Team Time Trial stage AFTER stage 4 included has to change the route, otherwise it will be 10 points penalty for him.
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Post by emmea90 » 20/02/2018, 15:27

Of course after stage 4 is not correct, before and included stage 4 is correct for TTT.
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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by mels2309 » 20/02/2018, 16:15

Can Meaux be used as the starting place?

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Post by emmea90 » 20/02/2018, 16:45

mels2309 wrote:
20/02/2018, 16:15
Can Meaux be used as the starting place?
Yup, is in a departement in ile-de-france region so is valid
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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by steven.fraussen » 20/02/2018, 21:43

I have a question, right now I have an individual time trial from Nice to the Col d'Eze. Does this count as a high mountain stage?

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Post by emmea90 » 20/02/2018, 22:06

steven.fraussen wrote:
20/02/2018, 21:43
I have a question, right now I have an individual time trial from Nice to the Col d'Eze. Does this count as a high mountain stage?
No, only inline
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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by Ded-Moroz » 21/02/2018, 13:10

emmea90 wrote:
19/02/2018, 23:54
Ded-Moroz wrote:
17/02/2018, 9:36
Winter Race
Total distance - 1871.22 Km
Sprint stages - 4
Medim mountain stages - 5
Mountain stage - 2
Time trials - 2
MTF - 2
Hilly finish - 1

Link to your route is missing
maps/tours/view/8434

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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by mauro » 22/02/2018, 13:45

mauro wrote:
16/02/2018, 20:31
Il mio percorso

maps/tours/view/8442
I have modified the last stage because it overruns the maximum allowed mileage

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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by mels2309 » 23/02/2018, 15:38

''Col d'Eze must be inserted in the route with Nice hosting a stage finish''. So if I end a time trial on the Col d'Eze, is that a stage finish in Nice or not?

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Post by emmea90 » 23/02/2018, 21:19

mels2309 wrote:
23/02/2018, 15:38
''Col d'Eze must be inserted in the route with Nice hosting a stage finish''. So if I end a time trial on the Col d'Eze, is that a stage finish in Nice or not?
No.
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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by railxmig » 26/02/2018, 13:55

The profiles are not from the start, but from km 0. Also, this race is me trying to have fun, so it's not a realistic approach and i don't know, how suitable it's for this competition. If not then i'm okay with that. The stages are quite long because i wanted to limit the amount of large transfers. However, there are some, that are beyond 200km. Below are the stages and their short synopsis.

Whole tour: maps/tours/view/8534

maps/viewtrack/195225
Stage 1. Palaiseau – Palaiseau, 8,5km, ITT
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Climbs:
Villebon-sur-Yvette – 450m, 5,7%, 77m
Le Parc d'Ardenay – 1,1km, 7,3%, 146m

Secteurs pavés:
Rue de Paris – 300m
Viaduc du Fort – 50m

Palaiseau is just a random town/village in the Parisian outskirts. However, it's located on a local hilly massif (one of plenty near Paris), so i found it a rather tasty spot for fantasy cycling. This prologue/itt has everything – narrow roads, technical parts, straights, uphills, downhills and even small sections of (easy) cobbles on Roue de Paris and Viaduc du Fort. There are two distinguishable climbs – to the adjacent village of Villebon-sur-Yvette and Le Parc d'Ardenay.

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Stage 2. Orsay – Chevilly, 177km, flat, dirt roads.
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Chemins de terre:
Route Forestière de Vitry-aux-Loges – 8,9km
Route Forestière de la Cour Dieu – 6,7km
Route Forestière de Nibelle – 6,3km
Overall: 22km

Let's drop any realism left here (i doubt even the Palaiseau prologue is realistic). I wanted to showcase the vastness of dirt tracks in Forêt d'Orléans. Originally i had the finish on the northern outskirts of Orleans (Fleury-les-Aubrais) with regressive length and toughness of each dirt sector. However, Loiret doesn't know, what a viaduct is, which was very annoying. Even more annoying, than an ocean of road islands. Hence i decided to flip the middle finger towards Orléans and place the finish in much smaller (borderline) town/village of Chevilly, north of Orléans. This approach opened an option to put an additional dirt sector of Route Forestière de Nibelle.

This stage sort of fights with Strade Bianche, which should take place around this time. It's flatter and there's less dirt than in the youngest monument, but the dirt is not as nice and there's a much higher chance for rain. If you remember the 2010 Montepulciano stage, time splits can be large. All of these sectors are long straights in the vast Orléans forest. They all seems to be of similar difficulty. The first sector ends 53,5km; 2nd – 32,5km; 3rd – 12,2 km from the finish.

I know, that these dirt tracks are most probably not suitable for road bikes, but if they will ever be cleared out and/or more refined then France could have its own Strade Bianche, but with a higher chance of rain.

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Stage 3. Châteauneuf-sur-Loire – Cérilly, 192km, hilly, HTF.
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Possibly one of only two sprint stages with a lumpy finale and potential for echelons, as the roads are quite exposed. Majority of the stage goes alongside Loire. The finish line is on top of the only categorised climb of the day, which is roughly 1km at 4-5% (max 6-7%). This finish is in the town/village of Cérilly. Originally i planned for Circuit de Lurcy-Lévis, but i found it a bit too tight. I'm also not sure of Moulins, as there is a major hospital annoyingly placed in a quite strategic place. From here i'm taking a significant detour to Saint-Chamond on the outskirts of Saint-Étienne.

maps/viewtrack/193645
Stage 4. Saint-Chamond – Mont Gerbier de Jonc, 196km, medium mountain/mountain, MTF.
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Climbs:
Col de la Croix-de-Chaubouret – 11,9km, 6,1%, cat. 1, 1201m
Col de la Mure – 7,7km, 8,2% (max 14%), cat. 1, 747m
Côte de Chabrière – 3,4km, 6,5%, cat. 3, 787m
Col de l'Ardèchoise – 14,2km, 4,5% (max 10%), cat. 2, 1184m
Col du Gerbier de Jonc – 12km, 5,8% (max 8%), cat. 1, 1417m

I really wanted to have this stage in my race. It's a borderline medium-mountain/mountain stage finishing with an MTF on Mont Gerbier de Jonc – home to the source of Loire. The stage focuses on Monts d'Ardèche with two cat. 1 climbs (famous Col de la Mure and Col du Gerbier de Jonc), cat. 2 Col de l'Ardèchoise and cat. 3 Côte de Chabrière. The stage also features the hardest side of Croix-de-Chaubouret, also cat. 1. I guess it may be ridden quite hard with any lost time from stage 2 in mind.

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Col de la Croix-de-Chaubouret.

The hardest climb of the day is Col de la Mure, often linked with Valence. However, this time it's only a warm-up climb 80km from the finish. Much more important is slightly irregular Col de l'Ardèchoise, which is directly linked with the MTF. I had to choose between Ardèchoise and much shorter and steeper Col de Joux. Ardèchoise is narrower, but has much wider descent, than Joux. However, Joux is a viable alternative. The last climb of the day – Col du Gerbier de Jonc is the highest point of the French part of the race. It's 12km at a fairly regular 5,8%. I guess for March it should be a fine training ground.

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Col de la Mure.

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Col de l'Ardèchoise.

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Col du Gerbier de Jonc (from D237/D337 sign).

Interestingly, there's more space on Gerbier de Jonc than i thought. I thought the only possible MTF in Ardèche is Croix de Bauzon further south, but i guess the source of Loire can be a minor tourist attraction. I don't think it's Tour de France level, but for something of Paris-Nice caliber it should be okay.

maps/viewtrack/194002
Stage 5. Aubenas – Salon-de-Provence, 186km, flat/hilly.
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Climbs:
Côte de Leyris – 3km, 4%, cat. 3, 295m
Côte d'Orgnac – 11,1km, 2,4%, cat. 3, 363m
Côte de Méjannes-le-Clap – 4,6km, 4,7%, cat. 3, 329m
Côte de Mont Gaussier (Les Alpilles) – 6,6km, 3,4%, cat. 3, 238m
Col de la Vayède (Baux-de-Provence) – 0,7km, 7%, cat. 3, 179m

Salon-de-Provence is a rather lazy choice, but it stands in a perfect place. Bigger Aix-en-Provence is a bit too far, while Baux-de-Provence would be a hilltop finish and i wanted to have at least one sort of classic sprint stage. There are a couple of climbs though, but the outcome should be either a breakaway win or a bunch sprint. The stage could be shorter, but i decided to include Aven d'Orgnac, Pont de Gard, Glanum archaelogical site, the Alpilles massif and Baux-de-Provence itself, so there's plenty of visual flare to this otherwise noncomplicated stage.

maps/viewtrack/193659
Stage 6. Draguignan – Nice, 201km, medium mountain.
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Climbs:
Côte de Cabris – 9,4km, 4,7%, cat. 2, 545m
Côte d'Aspremont – 9,7km, 4,7%, cat. 2, 532m
Col de Châteauneuf – 5,4km, 4,4%, cat. 2, 627m
Col de Calaïsson – 6,9km, 4,4%, cat. 2, 480m
Côte de Peille – 6,5km, 6,9%, cat. 1, 657m
Plateau de la Justice (Mont Leuze) – 5,6km, 9,4% (max 20%), cat. 1, 547m

Because the rest is a copy of Paris-Nice, i'll jump straight to the main dish of the day. Why i find Col d'Èze with Nice finish not particulary interesting? Col d'Èze is imo just not a good climb. It sometimes works in Paris-Nice because it's the last and (sometimes) hardest stage of the race. Here it's in the middle of the race and just regular Èze would do nothing. Hence i decided to spice it up with a combination of two harder alternatives.

So, what's the difference? He variant i've chosen is 5,6km at a way more respectful (quite irregular) 9,4% (max roughly 17-20% near the top and near Col de Villefranche). The top is near Plateau de la Justice, just above Col d'Èze. However, i couldn't get rid of that awful descent to Nice, but i hope a much steeper version of Col d'Èze will be enough to provide at least some sort of racing, especially as the next day is way more easier. The main problems with this climb are a near-crossover on Col de Villefranche with the route back to Nice and the road condition near the top. From Col des Quatre Chemins the road is very narrow and soon the quality deteriorates. I guess if it wants to have a realistic bid for Paris-Nice the road should be either resurfaced or patched. Thankfully, there's barely any descent to the top of Col d'Èze. I would however still love to see this approach in Paris-Nice or even Tour de France. Rest of the stage is the classic descent from Col d' Èze to Nice.

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Plateau de la Justice.

What's the alternative? I think the new edition of Paris-Nice is doing a similar thing i'm doing, but only to Col des Quatre Chemins with a shorter and technically more challenging descent to Nice. I'm fine with this option as an alternative.

maps/viewtrack/193606
Stage 7. Nice – Arenzano, 192km, hilly.
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Climbs:
Col d'Èze – 8,4km, 5,5%, cat. 2, 507m
Mortola – 2km, 6%, cat. 3, 150m
Poggio di Sanremo – 3,2km, 4,7%, cat. 3, 160m
Capo Berta – 2,5km, 4,8%, cat. 3, 130m
Sciaborasca – 4,2km, 4,9% (max 10%), cat. 3, 206m

The first stage to somehow resemble Milano – Sanremo and also a classic Col d'Èze climb, as i'm fine with it as a breakaway's launching pad. The majority of stage borrows from Milano – Sanremo, also with Poggio di Sanremo (from the other side). I had plenty of ideas for a serious mountain stage in Alpi Liguri but i guess an homage to Milano – Sanremo should be in place even if i'm personally not a fan of this monument.

The finale is slightly harder than that of Milano – Sanremo. The main difficulty of the day is a slightly different side of Sciaborasca (Giro 2015). It's an irregular climb with a number of false-flats mixed with 10% or more muritos. The descent is wide, but quite tricky. Just before the finish in Arenzano there's also a small bump – 0,7km at roughly 7%. The descent to Arenzano is also wide and in some places tricky.

maps/viewtrack/194147
Stage 8. Portofino - Sestri Levante, 33,6km, ITT.
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Climbs:
San Lorenzo della Costa (Valico di Ruta) – 3,6km, 4,7%, 188m
Santuario Madonna delle Grazie – 4km, 3,8%, 177m

A very far homage to Cinque Terre ITT from Giro '09. A hilly and technical time trial in Riviera di Levante. Last roughly 10km from Chiavari are flat and straight.

maps/viewtrack/194276
Stage 9. La Spezia – Doganaccia 2000, 213km, mountain, MTF.
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Climbs:
Passo dei Carpinelli – 11km, 5%, cat. 2, 842m
Valico di Prunetta – 13,8km, 6%, cat. 1, 963m
Doganaccia 2000 – 19,2km, 5,4% (max 14%), cat. 1, 1500m

Finally i have an oppurtunity to use this MTF. It's sort of a copy of Giro 2015 stage 5 to Abetone, but i spiced up that stage with Prunetta followed by a much tougher variant of Abetone to the small ski resort of Doganaccia 2000, part of the Abetone ski area. It's the first serious mountain stage of the race. Doganaccia 2000 lies near the top of famous Passo di Croce Arcana. Sadly, full Croce Arcana is unraceable by a road bike, but the road to Doganaccia is surfaced, but in some places very narrow (Cutigliano).

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Prunetta.

The climb to Doganaccia is quite complicated. Narrower parts are mixed with wider and steeper gradients are mixed with false-flats and even a small descent near the top. The hardest and narrowest part is right at the bottom in the village of Cutigliano, where the gradient kicks up to 14-15%. Even the middle 10km at roughly 6,5% isn't that regular as it shows on the profile below. I think Doganaccia has enough space for this race. There's even an alternate road to the parking, which can be also used. So... Abetone gets the big deals while Doganaccia can flourish in cat. 2 races.

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Doganaccia 2000.

maps/viewtrack/194511
Stage 10. Prato di Firenze – Rapolano Terme, 171km, hilly.
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Climbs:
San Baronto – 6,1km, 4,7%, cat. 2, 340m
Castellina in Chianti – 18,3km, 2,8%, cat. 2, 607m
Vescona – 8,2km, 2%, cat. 3, 346m
Serre di Rapolano – 1,4km, 4,3%, cat. 3, 366m
Rapolano Terme – 1,4km, 4,7%, cat. 3, 374m

A stage in Tuscany that doesn't have any dirt sterrato? What kind of heresy is this? It's sort of the 2nd obligatory Milano – Sanremo copy. Thankfully, Tuscany is a hilly country so doing it wasn't as hard. I decided to use a lesser known of termes – Rapolano Terme, home to antique thermes of Querciolaia and San Giovanni. The last 5km are home to two categorised climbs – both 1,4km. 1st one is at 4,3%, 2nd one – 4,7%. I decided to leave the last climb off the profile, as there's not enough space for it. While both climbs have some similarity to Cipressa and Poggio, the descent are easier from those of Milano – Sanremo. The finish line is on top of a small hill.

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Stage 11. Castiglione del Lago – Frontignano di Ussita, 209km, mountain, MTF.
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Climbs:
Montefalco – 4km, 5,5%, cat. 3, 449m
Valico di Pettino – 16,2km, 6,4% (max 13%), cat. 1, 1131m
Rifugio Perugia (Forca Canapine) – 18,7km, 5%, cat. 1, 1521m
Castelluccio – 1,6km, 7,4%, cat. 3, 1417m
Passo di Gualdo – 2,3km, 7%, cat. 3, 1496m
Frontignano di Ussita – 7,7km, 8% (max 14%), cat. 1, 1338m

Like with Doganaccia, i finally have an oppurtunity to use this MTF. I also had Sassotetto in one of my Giri, but i think Tirreno-Adriatico uses it this year. While Frontignano was quite often used by Tirreno-Adriatico a couple of years back i don't think it ever hosted an MTF. With Sassotetto, Frontignano is the main ski resort of Marche (and Umbria). Sadly, Frontignano is right in the middle of Monti Sibillini NP, so i'm not sure about its availability as i would like to see it in the real life. For this race i guess it should be more than fine. Also, Frontignano was in the epicentre of the recent earthquake so i assume the infrastructure is still not ready to host a bike race.

I also have an easier variant using the picturesque Nera gorge (SP209). It's the queen stage of the race with over 4000m of accumulated climbing. Pettino and Frontignano are quite serious climbs while Forca Canapine is a Montevergine type of grind. The hardest part of Frontignano is the middle 2km at 11% (max 14%). The road is not the widest in the world. Because it's a ski resort there should be enough space at the top for this race (Via del Ginepro). There's also a sizeable car park after the finish line. The stage also features the highest point of the entire race – Rifugio Perugia (part of Forca Canapine) at 1521m.

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Pettino.

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Rifugio Perugia.

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Frontignano di Ussita, without the last 1,5km.

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Stage 12. Teramo – Sulmona, 215km, mountain.
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Climbs:
Castellaro – 8,1km, 4,5%, cat. 2, 520m
Malonga – 4,3km, 4,7%, cat. 3, 380m
Forca di Penne – 20,6km, 3,6% (max 13%), cat. 1, 928m
Monte Mótola – 8,5km, 9,2% (max 18%), cat. 1, 1043m
Monte Urano – 4,6km, 9% (max 14-16%), cat. 1, 841m
Olmo di Bobbi – 6,1km, 7,2% (max 14%), cat. 1, 1121m

Possibly even harder stage than yesterday and imo the most interesting stage of the race (tied with the Orléans one). I have a liking for borderline GC/breakaway stages, where you don't know, what would happen. It can be placed right at the start of the race of at the end. This stage has short, but steep climbs quite a distance from the finish, so any potential GC action will need the right amount of prep to success. It's also the last stage of the race, where any major GC changes can take place. If you want to train team-focused strategic riding, then this terrain should suit you. Such stages are normally very short with the recent fad for short and dynamic stages. This one is the longest stage of the race with hardly any flat and preceded by the queen stage of the race. So it's a more traditional endurance punch-out than short bursts of hard hits.

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Forca di Penne.

The main dish of the day are the last 70km with 3 cat. 1 climbs, of which one of them is borderline TdF HC cat. Before that there's very long and complicated side of Forca di Penne including very picturesque village of Corvara (possible HTF). The first serious climb of the day is an alternate side of (Valico di) Monte Mótola from Popoli. It's the hardest climb of the race with 8,5km at 9,2% (max 18%), which is a borderline TdF 1/HC cat. The top is 60km from the finish line. The road is quite narrow and in some places not in the best of shapes. After 15km is the 2nd cat. 1 climb of the day – Monte Urano (Giro '05), which is immediately followed by an alternate side of Olmo di Bobbi. The top of Olmo di Bobbi is 27km from the finish. For now i think this side of Olmo di Bobbi is raceable and i will stand behind it untill any proof debunking it is presented. The descent to Bugnara is relatively easy and shallow. Last 10km are flat-ish. The finish in Sulmona on (for now) Viale F. R. Roosevelt is slightly uphill.

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(Valico di) Monte Mótola.

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Monte Urano w/o first 1,5km.

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Olmo di Bobbi w/o last 2km.

This stage sort of resembles the TdF Foix stages. First major action of the day may be already at the start as i expect the breakaway to be not only large, but also quite strong, which should force the peloton to keep a rather fast pace as i don't expect the time splits in the GC to be really large (depends on stage 2). I guess some small GC skirmishes may already take place on Monte Mótola. I expect the pace on Monte Urano and Olmo di Bobbi to be quite fast. I still think it'll end in a breakaway win with a roughly 20-man GC group 2-3min behind. However, if you want to gain relatively large amount of time to sneak into top 10 or even fight for the overall win it's the stage for you.

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Stage 13. Torre de' Passeri – Pescara, 138km, hilly.
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Climbs:
Lettomanoppello – 2,7km, 5,7%, cat. 3, 276m
Colle Serra – 3,5km, 4%, cat. 3, 315m
Colle San Rocco – 4,5km, 4%, cat. 3, 458m
Casalincontrada – 3,8km, 4,5%, cat. 3, 308m
Chieti – 3km, 4,3%, cat. 3, 276m
San Silvestro x5 – 1,5km, 8,1% (max 16-18%), cat. 3 or no cat. 149m

Laps: 5x13km

Sort of an obligatory Milano – Sanremo stage, but it's much closer to Liege-Bastogne-Liege. Because this is a Paris-Nice race with small features of Tirreno-Adriatico and Milano – Sanremo i decided to finish in a bigger place than San Benedetto del Tronto. Pescara is ideally placed for a grande finale. Just east of Pescara is a very tasty climb to San Silvestro. I'm more than happy to include it in five 13km long laps. The climb to San Silvestro (via Strada Colle Renazzo, categorised every 2 laps) is tougher than it looks with plenty of 10-15% parts. The 2,5km descent from the top is wide, but quite technical with 5-6 serpentines. The bottom of this descent is roughly 2,5km from the finish.

If this whole synopsis of the race is unnecessary or is considered as a spam then i can delete it.

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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by pabloagb » 27/02/2018, 0:27

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WINTER STAGE RACES

Stage 1: Flat stage for sprinters.
Stage 2: Hilly stage with an uphill finish.
Stage 3: Flat/hilly stage without big climbs but few flat km. Unpredictable outcome.
Stage 4: Medium mountain stage with another uphill finish.
Stage 5: Flat stage for sprinters. Small chance for a surprise.
Stage 6: Medium mountain stage marathon with an uphill finish.
Stage 7: Another medium mountain stage with harder climbs than the previous one and a finish on the streets of Nice.
Stage 8: Flat stage in Italy. Last chance for the sprinters.
Stage 9: Individual time trial. 40 km long and mostly flat. Chance for the specialists.
Stage 10: Time for the strade bianche. Unpaved climbs should make the ride to Siena an interesting one.
Stage 11: Mountain-top finish at Monte Terminillo preceeded by some minor climbs.
Stage 12: Another mountain stage with Passo Lanciano and then Guardiagrele as protagonists.
Stage 13: Medium mountain stage full of short, and often steep climbs.
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Re: Winter Stage Races (Cat. 2, deadline on 14/3)

Post by CaramelMou » 27/02/2018, 13:08

I have some trouble with one of my stages : it's 239km long when you're on the editor but after validation, the stage is 242km long and above the 240km limit. Which one should i trust ?

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