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Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
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Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020
Later than usually is in the season, it is still time for the 2020 Tour de France Contest
You have to re-draw and improve 2020 Tour de France
Constraints
- Gran Depart should be kept the same way (Stage 1 and 2 starts and finishing in Nice, in same points. You can switch finish of stage 1 and 2 or also starts, but a finish point should remain a finish point and a start point should remain a start point)
- Of course you have to end TDF in Champs-Elysees. This means that stage 20-21 transfer shall be 'realistic'
- You cannot repeat key parts of Tour de France 2019 real stages
- You have to put a stage start or a stage finish in at least 7 different france regions
- You can freely choose what to do before Alps or Pyrenees
- 2020 Tour has Covid-19 problem. So, to simplify things, you are not allowed to leave France for the whole route. All the Kms of Tour de France shall be in France.
- You must have from 5 to 7 stages for pure sprinters, Paris included - and no more than 2 of them consequently
- There should be at least 2 high mountain stages that does NOT end in a MTF
Deadline will be Sunday 20/9/2020, when the first rider will cross Tour de France 2020 Stage 21 line. Or 23.59 if the stage won't happen
Tour must be done using Tour de France - 2019 profiles, with Large X-Size and normal slopes on to have an easy comparison between different routes.
PLEASE PUT THE STAGE PRESENTATION BETWEEN SPOILERS TO AVOID LONG PAGES ON THE THREAD
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[spoiler]Stages presentation[/spoiler]
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
If I want ITT/TTT for stage 1 - should I use as "starting point" KM zero (Avenue de Rimiez) or GD starting point (Place Masséna)?
If I need to use km zero as starting point - I would need make 4km descent immediately after start for my ITT/TTT. I don't want to start at Avenue de Rimiez because it would have been a waste of ITT/TTT kilometres. I would prefer Place Masséna as Stage 1 starting point. Likewise km zero is not a good start for my stage 2.
If I need to use km zero as starting point - I would need make 4km descent immediately after start for my ITT/TTT. I don't want to start at Avenue de Rimiez because it would have been a waste of ITT/TTT kilometres. I would prefer Place Masséna as Stage 1 starting point. Likewise km zero is not a good start for my stage 2.
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
For the ITT, the GD starting point as they don't have transfer.Bocmanis82 wrote: ↑22/08/2020, 23:16 If I want ITT/TTT for stage 1 - should I use as "starting point" KM zero (Avenue de Rimiez) or GD starting point (Place Masséna)?
If I need to use km zero as starting point - I would need make 4km descent immediately after start for my ITT/TTT. I don't want to start at Avenue de Rimiez because it would have been a waste of ITT/TTT kilometres. I would prefer Place Masséna as Stage 1 starting point. Likewise km zero is not a good start for my stage 2.
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
Here's my entry
maps/tours/view/15829
-Big Start in Nice, 2 stages in the region
-Queen Stage: Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne - Méribel-Mottaret (Stage 17) or Albertville - Rumilly (Stage 18)
-Key Climbs: Col de la Lusette (Stage 6), Hautacam (Col de Tramassel) (Stage 8), Col Bagargi and Col Inharpu (Stage 9), Pas de Peyrol and Col du Pertus (Stage 13), Col d'Herbouilly (stage 15), L'Alpe d'Huez (Lac Besson) (Stage 16), Col de la Madeleine and Col de la Loze (Stage 17), Col de la Biche and Col du Grand Colombier (Stage 18), La Planches des Belles Filles (Stage 20)
-Time Trial: 76,1 kms
-The Tour starts and/or finishes in a total of 7 regions, as requested. Provence-Alps-Côte d'Azur, Auvergne-Rhône-Alps, Occitanie, Nouvelle-Aquitane, Pays de la Loire, Bourgogne-Franche-Comte and Île-de-France
Looking at this year's Tour, i felt like it didn't meet a lot of my expectations, so i decided to see if I could improve its design. Therefore it follows a very similar route, visiting a lot of the same places. I left the Big Start in Nice unchanged, i think they are really nice stages. In addition, I included the real stage 10 as my stage 11, and the final TT in the same place. I hope you'll like my reinterpretation of the Tour de France 2020.
maps/tours/view/15829
-Big Start in Nice, 2 stages in the region
-Queen Stage: Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne - Méribel-Mottaret (Stage 17) or Albertville - Rumilly (Stage 18)
-Key Climbs: Col de la Lusette (Stage 6), Hautacam (Col de Tramassel) (Stage 8), Col Bagargi and Col Inharpu (Stage 9), Pas de Peyrol and Col du Pertus (Stage 13), Col d'Herbouilly (stage 15), L'Alpe d'Huez (Lac Besson) (Stage 16), Col de la Madeleine and Col de la Loze (Stage 17), Col de la Biche and Col du Grand Colombier (Stage 18), La Planches des Belles Filles (Stage 20)
-Time Trial: 76,1 kms
-The Tour starts and/or finishes in a total of 7 regions, as requested. Provence-Alps-Côte d'Azur, Auvergne-Rhône-Alps, Occitanie, Nouvelle-Aquitane, Pays de la Loire, Bourgogne-Franche-Comte and Île-de-France
Looking at this year's Tour, i felt like it didn't meet a lot of my expectations, so i decided to see if I could improve its design. Therefore it follows a very similar route, visiting a lot of the same places. I left the Big Start in Nice unchanged, i think they are really nice stages. In addition, I included the real stage 10 as my stage 11, and the final TT in the same place. I hope you'll like my reinterpretation of the Tour de France 2020.
Spoiler!
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
The col de la Loze is for now a one way passage as the road is not praticable on the downhill.ellvey wrote: ↑24/08/2020, 5:56 Here's my entry
maps/tours/view/15829
-Big Start in Nice, 2 stages in the region
-Queen Stage: Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne - Méribel-Mottaret (Stage 17) or Albertville - La Roche-sur-Foron (Stage 18)
-Key Climbs: Col de la Lusette (Stage 6), Hautacam (Col de Tramassel) (Stage 8), Col Bagargi and Col Inharpu (Stage 9), Pas de Peyrol and Col du Pertus (Stage 13), Col d'Herbouilly (stage 15), L'Alpe d'Huez (Stage 16), Col de la Madeleine and Col de la Loze (Stage 17), Col de la Colombière and Col des Glières (Stage 18), La Planches des Belles Filles (Stage 20)
-Time Trial: 76,1 kms
-The Tour starts and/or finishes in a total of 7 regions, as requested. Provence-Alps-Côte d'Azur, Auvergne-Rhône-Alps, Occitanie, Nouvelle-Aquitane, Pays de la Loire, Bourgogne-Franche-Comte and Île-de-France
Looking at this year's Tour, i felt like it didn't meet a lot of my expectations, so i decided to see if I could improve its design. Therefore it follows a very similar route, visiting a lot of the same places. I left the Big Start in Nice unchanged, i think they are really nice stages. In addition, I included the real stage 10 as my stage 11, and the final TT in the same place. I hope you'll like my reinterpretation of the Tour de France 2020.
Spoiler!
Sadly, you have choose to keep the stages praticcaly as they already are (stage 2 and 20 for example). I don't think your submission will count as the rules explicitely said that you cannot use parts or key sectors of the real Tour...
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
I've seen pictures of it and it seems fine for a downhill, certainly the Giro has done way more dangerous descents. It's a recently paved and reasonably wide road. Cars are not allowed in the road, but that also applies to the Méribel sidebenoît.guillot wrote: ↑24/08/2020, 15:53
The col de la Loze is for now a one way passage as the road is not praticable on the downhill.
Sadly, you have choose to keep the stages praticcaly as they already are (stage 2 and 20 for example). I don't think your submission will count as the rules explicitely said that you cannot use parts or key sectors of the real Tour...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFSpiK-D5i4 https://www.cycling-challenge.com/col-de-la-loze/
This dates back to last year, so unless something has happened that prevents the race from going down, which certainly can happen without me knowing, as i'm not a local, i think it should be fine.
As for your second point, Emmea referenced in the first post that you couldn't reuse the key parts of the last year's Tour, but if we can't use this year's keys parts aswell, I'll happily redesign the stages in case.
Thank you for bringing your concerns to me, I appreciate it
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
Oups my bad ! Once again I misread the rules and understood that you cannot use part of Tour 2020...ellvey wrote: ↑24/08/2020, 17:27I've seen pictures of it and it seems fine for a downhill, certainly the Giro has done way more dangerous descents. It's a recently paved and reasonably wide road. Cars are not allowed in the road, but that also applies to the Méribel sidebenoît.guillot wrote: ↑24/08/2020, 15:53
The col de la Loze is for now a one way passage as the road is not praticable on the downhill.
Sadly, you have choose to keep the stages praticcaly as they already are (stage 2 and 20 for example). I don't think your submission will count as the rules explicitely said that you cannot use parts or key sectors of the real Tour...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFSpiK-D5i4 https://www.cycling-challenge.com/col-de-la-loze/
This dates back to last year, so unless something has happened that prevents the race from going down, which certainly can happen without me knowing, as i'm not a local, i think it should be fine.
As for your second point, Emmea referenced in the first post that you couldn't reuse the key parts of the last year's Tour, but if we can't use this year's keys parts aswell, I'll happily redesign the stages in case.
Thank you for bringing your concerns to me, I appreciate it
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
Here is my Tour de France for this contest.
It's 3498.39km long (just 1610 meters within the limit )
It consists of 7 flat stages
7 medium mountain stages
6 high mountain stages
1 ITT
It has 71 KOM sprints of which 7 HC
maps/tours/view/15834
It's 3498.39km long (just 1610 meters within the limit )
It consists of 7 flat stages
7 medium mountain stages
6 high mountain stages
1 ITT
It has 71 KOM sprints of which 7 HC
maps/tours/view/15834
Spoiler!
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
Hi ! The restriction is about 2019 key parts, not about 2020 real route. Other years you could take a real stage and keep it in your personal design for the contest. So, I think you can let your entry as you did it first !benoît.guillot wrote: ↑24/08/2020, 23:36Oups my bad ! Once again I misread the rules and understood that you cannot use part of Tour 2020...ellvey wrote: ↑24/08/2020, 17:27I've seen pictures of it and it seems fine for a downhill, certainly the Giro has done way more dangerous descents. It's a recently paved and reasonably wide road. Cars are not allowed in the road, but that also applies to the Méribel sidebenoît.guillot wrote: ↑24/08/2020, 15:53
The col de la Loze is for now a one way passage as the road is not praticable on the downhill.
Sadly, you have choose to keep the stages praticcaly as they already are (stage 2 and 20 for example). I don't think your submission will count as the rules explicitely said that you cannot use parts or key sectors of the real Tour...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFSpiK-D5i4 https://www.cycling-challenge.com/col-de-la-loze/
This dates back to last year, so unless something has happened that prevents the race from going down, which certainly can happen without me knowing, as i'm not a local, i think it should be fine.
As for your second point, Emmea referenced in the first post that you couldn't reuse the key parts of the last year's Tour, but if we can't use this year's keys parts aswell, I'll happily redesign the stages in case.
Thank you for bringing your concerns to me, I appreciate it
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
May i make a question, Is it possible include arrives and repeatings makes on other french stage races like Criterium du Dauphine, Paris-Nice, Tour d'Occitanie, Tour de Limousin, Tour de l'Ain or part of french one-day races? That's a my curiosity about that thing.
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
Yesemilio.torre wrote: ↑27/08/2020, 9:16 May i make a question, Is it possible include arrives and repeatings makes on other french stage races like Criterium du Dauphine, Paris-Nice, Tour d'Occitanie, Tour de Limousin, Tour de l'Ain or part of french one-day races? That's a my curiosity about that thing.
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
Tour de France 2020
Here is my track.
maps/tours/view/15983
In my version of Tour the france 2020 there are:
Here is my track.
maps/tours/view/15983
In my version of Tour the france 2020 there are:
- Seven flat stage
Five medium mountain stage
Seven high mountain stage with four MTF
Two ITT of the lenght of 45 Km and 30 Km
Spoiler!
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
Tour de France 2020 Reloaded
maps/tours/view/15986
Hi, this is my Tour for the contest. I think the real Tour has some good ideas but also some things I really not like: the only ITT in the ending, no stages can create big gaps or promote long range attack.
So, i redesigned it but keeping all the starting and ending location of every stage. Only exceptions: stage 13 that I transformed into an ITT (near Clermont Ferrand when both stage 13 and stage 14 start); stage 20 starting location, changed to respect the rule of the seven regions.
My new Tour has three ITTs, longer mountain stages with multiple climbs and a design that promote attacks even from long distance, so it's demanding but balanced.
As in real Tour, the route is very original and there are no classic and famous mountains such as Tourmalet, Galibier, Izoard, Mont Ventoux, etc., and there are six more major climbs never faced in previous Tours or in 2020. Four of them were already faced in other races (Moissière and Mont Noir in Dauphinè, Spandelles in Route du Sud and Beyrede in Route d'Occitanie - for Beyrede I added also a couple of kilometers on almost flat gravel roads that are practicable for a road bike according to ORS), other two are Col de l'Arpettaz and Ballon de Servance wich have pretty good roads.
Total high mountain stages: 8 (too much? maybe, but I removed two mountain stages of real race (stage 2 and Puy Mary) even if I classified as high mountain Orcieres-Merlette and Mont Aigoual)
Mountain top finishes: officially 5, but only 3 of them are really top finish: Orcieres-Merlette, Grand Colombier, Col de la Loze (Mont Aigoual and Villard de Lans are very very easy climbs)
Souvenir Henry Desgrange: Col de la Loze: 2226m (Stage 17)
Souvenir Jacques Goddet: Col d'Aubisque (Stage 9)
Total ITT: 84.6 Km
Sprinters stages: stage 3, 7, 10, 11, 21 for pure sprinters, stage 2, 5, 19 could see a sprint too
Total distance: 3401.77 Km
maps/tours/view/15986
Hi, this is my Tour for the contest. I think the real Tour has some good ideas but also some things I really not like: the only ITT in the ending, no stages can create big gaps or promote long range attack.
So, i redesigned it but keeping all the starting and ending location of every stage. Only exceptions: stage 13 that I transformed into an ITT (near Clermont Ferrand when both stage 13 and stage 14 start); stage 20 starting location, changed to respect the rule of the seven regions.
My new Tour has three ITTs, longer mountain stages with multiple climbs and a design that promote attacks even from long distance, so it's demanding but balanced.
As in real Tour, the route is very original and there are no classic and famous mountains such as Tourmalet, Galibier, Izoard, Mont Ventoux, etc., and there are six more major climbs never faced in previous Tours or in 2020. Four of them were already faced in other races (Moissière and Mont Noir in Dauphinè, Spandelles in Route du Sud and Beyrede in Route d'Occitanie - for Beyrede I added also a couple of kilometers on almost flat gravel roads that are practicable for a road bike according to ORS), other two are Col de l'Arpettaz and Ballon de Servance wich have pretty good roads.
Total high mountain stages: 8 (too much? maybe, but I removed two mountain stages of real race (stage 2 and Puy Mary) even if I classified as high mountain Orcieres-Merlette and Mont Aigoual)
Mountain top finishes: officially 5, but only 3 of them are really top finish: Orcieres-Merlette, Grand Colombier, Col de la Loze (Mont Aigoual and Villard de Lans are very very easy climbs)
Souvenir Henry Desgrange: Col de la Loze: 2226m (Stage 17)
Souvenir Jacques Goddet: Col d'Aubisque (Stage 9)
Total ITT: 84.6 Km
Sprinters stages: stage 3, 7, 10, 11, 21 for pure sprinters, stage 2, 5, 19 could see a sprint too
Total distance: 3401.77 Km
Spoiler!
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
Best of the best so far ! You'll have my vote !!! Congrats
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
Here is my Tour de France 2020 : maps/tours/view/15972
There will be 7 high mountain stage, three middle mountain stages, two individuel time-trials and between 5 to 7 stages for sprinters, even if, sometimes, it not will be easy for them to win. But nobody says that these stages must be offered to them. Two new top finish summit, in Les Allues and at the top of the col de la Croix-de-Fer.
There will be 7 high mountain stage, three middle mountain stages, two individuel time-trials and between 5 to 7 stages for sprinters, even if, sometimes, it not will be easy for them to win. But nobody says that these stages must be offered to them. Two new top finish summit, in Les Allues and at the top of the col de la Croix-de-Fer.
Spoiler!
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
Hello everyone !
There is my route for the Tour de France 2020 contest : maps/tours/view/16027. It contains :
- 3469 km.
- 9 flat stages with 1 uphill finish.
- 4 medium mountain or hilly stages.
- 7 mountain stages with 5 MTF.
- 1 mountain ITT.
- 76 KoM sprints : 8 HC, 13 1st, 14 2nd, 24 3rd and 17 4th.
It goes through 7 French regions : PACA, Occitanie, Nouvelle-Aquitaine, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, Bourgogne-Franche-Comté, Normandie and Ile-de-France.
I tried to keep the spirit created by ASO for this Tour, with rural cities and new places to visit. Innovation is a clue in this year's route, this what I like in Tour de France and I wanted to continue on this way for my route. This is why I kept many key points which are really in the route this year. From Nice (and the two real first stages), it goes to the Southern Alps, then to Cévennes and Pyrénées in the first week. The second week goes from the Atlantic Coast to Bugey and the third one has 3 mountain stages in Northern Alpes and the real ITT of this Tour de France 2020. My route is about to make the yellow jersey's owner change quite everyday by playing with topography and distances.
Stages and explanations in spoiler.
Hope you will enjoy it ! I really liked what I've already seen in this contest !
Antonin
There is my route for the Tour de France 2020 contest : maps/tours/view/16027. It contains :
- 3469 km.
- 9 flat stages with 1 uphill finish.
- 4 medium mountain or hilly stages.
- 7 mountain stages with 5 MTF.
- 1 mountain ITT.
- 76 KoM sprints : 8 HC, 13 1st, 14 2nd, 24 3rd and 17 4th.
It goes through 7 French regions : PACA, Occitanie, Nouvelle-Aquitaine, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, Bourgogne-Franche-Comté, Normandie and Ile-de-France.
I tried to keep the spirit created by ASO for this Tour, with rural cities and new places to visit. Innovation is a clue in this year's route, this what I like in Tour de France and I wanted to continue on this way for my route. This is why I kept many key points which are really in the route this year. From Nice (and the two real first stages), it goes to the Southern Alps, then to Cévennes and Pyrénées in the first week. The second week goes from the Atlantic Coast to Bugey and the third one has 3 mountain stages in Northern Alpes and the real ITT of this Tour de France 2020. My route is about to make the yellow jersey's owner change quite everyday by playing with topography and distances.
Stages and explanations in spoiler.
Spoiler!
Antonin
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
It might not be possible to make MTF at Puy de Dome because local authorities have built railway tack on the final section of this road. Mont Faron could be too narrow for TDF.TourDeFranceGO wrote: ↑27/08/2020, 23:50 The route starts with similar stages to the two in the real Grand Depart, however I didn't include the Col de la Colmiane in favour of a really steep Col d'Eze. Mont Faron is the first summit finish on stage 3. The race then heads to Montpellier before stages 5 and 6 go over rugged terrain in southern pyrenees. Stage 7 boasts the first TT while stages 8 and 9 serve as the first true mountain stages, with a summit finish at Puy de Dome and a finish at Le Lioran.
A few questions to contest organizers:
[*]Will contestants get penalized or disqualified if they put impracticable/impossible finishes or impracticable roads?
[*]Should be stage starts or finishes commercially feasible?
[*]Should we report if we spot irregularities of such kind? Will contest organizers check all of the routes?
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
1) It should be up to people that voting, but we can submit penaltiesBocmanis82 wrote: ↑02/09/2020, 22:49It might not be possible to make MTF at Puy de Dome because local authorities have built railway tack on the final section of this road. Mont Faron could be too narrow for TDF.TourDeFranceGO wrote: ↑27/08/2020, 23:50 The route starts with similar stages to the two in the real Grand Depart, however I didn't include the Col de la Colmiane in favour of a really steep Col d'Eze. Mont Faron is the first summit finish on stage 3. The race then heads to Montpellier before stages 5 and 6 go over rugged terrain in southern pyrenees. Stage 7 boasts the first TT while stages 8 and 9 serve as the first true mountain stages, with a summit finish at Puy de Dome and a finish at Le Lioran.
A few questions to contest organizers:
[*]Will contestants get penalized or disqualified if they put impracticable/impossible finishes or impracticable roads?
[*]Should be stage starts or finishes commercially feasible?
[*]Should we report if we spot irregularities of such kind? Will contest organizers check all of the routes?
2) What do you mean for commercially feasible?
3) Yes, it's possible to report. We won't check routes.
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Re: Contest #7 - Tour de France 2020 [Cat. 1]
TOUR DE FRANCE 2020
maps/tours/view/15951
3456.42 Km
6 high mountain (3 MTF)
6 medium mountain (1 MTF)
7 flat
2 individual time trials (1 MTF)
70 KOM (7 HC)
Regions crossed (in order): Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, Occitanie, Nouvelle Aquitaine, Auvergne Rhône-Alpes, Bourgogne-Franche-Comté, Grand Est, Île-de-France
I decided to keep the direction of the route the same as this year's edition of the Grand Boucle, passing by all of the 5 French montain chains. I also tried to keep the same philosophy, so even though there are two time trials, the total ITT Kms is only 9 more; the other terrains have been mostly kept the same, too, though trying to make stages more interesting, and following a more challenging route.
maps/tours/view/15951
3456.42 Km
6 high mountain (3 MTF)
6 medium mountain (1 MTF)
7 flat
2 individual time trials (1 MTF)
70 KOM (7 HC)
Regions crossed (in order): Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, Occitanie, Nouvelle Aquitaine, Auvergne Rhône-Alpes, Bourgogne-Franche-Comté, Grand Est, Île-de-France
I decided to keep the direction of the route the same as this year's edition of the Grand Boucle, passing by all of the 5 French montain chains. I also tried to keep the same philosophy, so even though there are two time trials, the total ITT Kms is only 9 more; the other terrains have been mostly kept the same, too, though trying to make stages more interesting, and following a more challenging route.
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