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You must vote for your three favourite tour in accordance to the rules we gave and the feeling you have.

Rules are written here : contests-2024-f340/contest-the-uci-worl ... t7610.html

You must explain your vote by a short text. Your first choice will be awarded by 20 points, your second by 10 and your third by 5.

Each members registered before january the 1st can vote. If a participant (anyone who submit a race) doesn't vote, he will receive a 5 pts penalty.

Each participants receive a bonus of 5 pts presentation but JCKSNSpades also lost 5 pts for a late entry so he begin with 0 points.


Here are the submission :


Benoît.guillot : maps/tours/view/24195 (5 pts presentation)

Tank05psp : maps/tours/view/24206 (5 pts presentation)

PhilippeJ99 : maps/tours/view/24205 (5 pts presentation)

KristanStrømhyldenHimo : maps/tours/view/24183 (5 pts presentation)

BETTO : maps/tours/view/24215 (5 pts presentation)

Diego12Alpe : maps/tours/view/24246 (5 pts presentation)

Belgian4444 : maps/tours/view/24247 (5 pts presentation)

JCKSNSpades : maps/tours/view/24177
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So I first looked at the locations, since most routes seem fine. That way I got to three contestants that had the best planning. very hard to rank those though.

FIRST: Benoît.guillot. The NZ hilly race seems a bit easy and I'm not sure about the placing of the final climb in the ALG race, but otherwise I like most routes.

SECOND: PhilippeJ99. I really like it, but that MOR route is a minor issue to me. The climb isn't too hard and you'll get a full peloton starting the final climb since there is a lot of time between the climbs + you still have 15km of mostly flat terrain after the climb. I think a mass sprint/large bunch sprint is more likely than a hill specialist win.

THIRD: KristanStrømhyldenHimo. COL and ALG races seem a bit too hard in my opinion.

Didn' make the cut (mostly based of calendar issues):

Tank05psp: RSA is just not manageable with World Tour races I think. I tried that as well but couldn't find any spot that made a very long transfer to southern Africa between World Tour races feasible, BRA is in an awkward calendar spot, loved the out of the box thinking with Papua New Guinea btw

BETTO: Wrong profile used + Ecuador seems too hard for a race constantly nearing 3000km + the Wales route is flat since that one climb is not hard enough and too far away from the finish line to make an impact that benefits hill specialists.

Diego12Alpe: Same reasoning for RSA as for Tank. JAP between the NC's and the TdF seems a bit awkward on the calendar. POR route is very hard.

JCKSNSpades: very close for #3 spot. The BRA route is a little bit too easy I think. Also, you're sending the peloton through the favelas which might not be the best choice. If you replaced the hill with the hill used in the Olympics (just a bit more to the north), you would definitely have been in the top 3.
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Here is my personal opinion about the submissions for the contest, starting by the fact they are actually all great, considering all the rules to follow there was some diversity in the propositions.

Here are my top 3 choices:

1st place: JCKSNSpades: I really like the course, especially stages like NZ or mountain stages, difficult but not too hard. Calendar-wise I would change the position of Brazilian stage (2nd) and Japan stage (10th). Maybe the only concern is, as already said, the Rio de Janeiro course going through favelas.

2nd place: Benoît.guillot: calendar-wise this is the best proposition. I'm not completely convinced by high mountain stages: stages like USA, Austria and Bosnia don't have, in my opinion, climbs that could make some difference. With these stages I don't see any chance for climbers to win the competition, as the only stage where they could make a difference would be the Chilean one.

3rd place: Belgian4444: calendar-wise really spot on except for Turkey: it is a bit too far considering is held the day after Milan-Sanremo and the day before the start of Volta a Catalunya. Too bad as I really like the stage in Izmir. I actually really like the stages of this tour, the hill stage in UK is really interesting as the medium-mountain final climb in Algeria. Between 2nd and 3rd position is really a close call, probably this would have been second if the US stages respected the 200k city rule (why starting in Azusa in particular?)
On a funny side, I wouldn't compare Running Springs with Mont Ventoux :asd:
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(why starting in Azusa in particular?)
University, so plenty of logistical provisions. I started at the Santa Monica pier initially, but that was way too far to include 3 finish line passages and I happened to pass Azusa which was manageable. Tbh, I just count that as LA (it's part of LA county). Because "cities" like Citrus, Glendora, etc are all part of a continuous urban hub (just look at Google Maps satellite view). It would be like saying the Olympic Park in London isn't in London because it's technically in Stratford (also part of Greater London area).
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I had a real personal crush on first place, so this choice was pretty obvious for me. For second and third place I looked for the races that best corresponded to my idea of a UCI championship with an element of originality while maintaining consistency in the cycling choices.


1st : PhilippeJ99

As I said, this proposal is the one that I liked the most. The choice of locations is close to perfect with countries for which one wonders "why aren't there UCI WT races there?" and the races are varied with strong choices and interesting proposals (the Kuhtai, the Luxembourg race, the Brighton sprint, etc.). Well done !


2nd : KristanStrømhyldenHimo

You really had me with the creation of your leader jersey lol. More seriously, your races are beautiful and make you want to take part in them and the choice of Trinidad and Tobago is an excellent idea! But you had to make a choice even though you were quite close to first place and your Algerian race, too hard for my taste, caused you to lose points.


3rd : BETTO

I was really hoping to see a race around Cardiff and you gave me that opportunity. On the other hand, finishing in a sprint in Wellington is not a good proposition for me and that's what makes you lose second place.
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Belgian4444 wrote: 07/02/2024, 9:37 So I first looked at the locations, since most routes seem fine. That way I got to three contestants that had the best planning. very hard to rank those though.

FIRST: Benoît.guillot. The NZ hilly race seems a bit easy and I'm not sure about the placing of the final climb in the ALG race, but otherwise I like most routes.

SECOND: PhilippeJ99. I really like it, but that MOR route is a minor issue to me. The climb isn't too hard and you'll get a full peloton starting the final climb since there is a lot of time between the climbs + you still have 15km of mostly flat terrain after the climb. I think a mass sprint/large bunch sprint is more likely than a hill specialist win.

THIRD: KristanStrømhyldenHimo. COL and ALG races seem a bit too hard in my opinion.

Didn' make the cut (mostly based of calendar issues):

Tank05psp: RSA is just not manageable with World Tour races I think. I tried that as well but couldn't find any spot that made a very long transfer to southern Africa between World Tour races feasible, BRA is in an awkward calendar spot, loved the out of the box thinking with Papua New Guinea btw

BETTO: Wrong profile used + Ecuador seems too hard for a race constantly nearing 3000km + the Wales route is flat since that one climb is not hard enough and too far away from the finish line to make an impact that benefits hill specialists.

Diego12Alpe: Same reasoning for RSA as for Tank. JAP between the NC's and the TdF seems a bit awkward on the calendar. POR route is very hard.

JCKSNSpades: very close for #3 spot. The BRA route is a little bit too easy I think. Also, you're sending the peloton through the favelas which might not be the best choice. If you replaced the hill with the hill used in the Olympics (just a bit more to the north), you would definitely have been in the top 3.
I totally do not read about the profile to use. Sorry about that
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To choose my personal favorites, I used the process of elimination to find the contestants that best complied with the contest's stipulations, while providing exiting and realistic routes.

1) PhilippeJ99. We shared some of the same ideas (New Zealand and Austria), so I rated your routes highly off the bat. Taking the limitations of the contest into the consideration, I think your Luxembourg race rather should be classified as a hilly race, and that the Moroccan race is missing something to make the final more exiting. Otherwise, this is a fine example of what a World Cup could look like.

2) benoît.guillot. Probably the best consistency with regards to the parkours, but none of the races makes me go “I need this race! NOW!”. Both Rwanda and South Korea are cool ideas that I like, and would watch, but I fear that New Zealand will be too light, and that there’s too far from the last real challenge to the finish line in the Morocco race.

3) Diego12Alpe. Love both the Croatia and Japan parkour, and maybe the submission with the highest peak level. Some of the routes influences the total grade negatively though. Portugal is too hard to I think, and the Wales circuit is too short according to UCI Rules. Bonus points for already planning which teams should get the wild cards.
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1. PhilippeJ99 - I was won over by the design of the race in New Zealand race. It is such an interesting race. The race in Portugal also stood out to me.
2. Benoît.guillot - I like your mountain stage design especially the race in Chile. That along with the race in Rwanda and the United States won me over.
3. KristanStrømhyldenHimo - What separated this tour from the rest was the Austrian mountain stage. It is very challenging and I really like the way it looks.
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Hello!

All of you made a great job in this contest, congratulations! However, i'm quite sad almost everyone have chosen Wellington in Oceania race.
So here is my favourite ones.

1/ Belgian4444. I really enjoy the shapes of all races. Not too hard, but sufficient to have suspense. The only downside is you have down exactly the same stage as me in USA apart of the starting 15kms, while i have posted mine 15 days before. But i enjoyed your championship!

2/ JCSNSpades. Almost all of your stages are very great. However, your USA mountain stage is bad, in my opinion. Last climb is way to early before the finish line and not very hard so nobody will attack.

3/ BETTO. Races are original, with profile off the beaten track. Meanwhile, you've started with two mountain stages in the early season, which is not very realistic.

Special mention to benoit.guillot, i think your rules are the best.
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1st PhilippeJ99
- Wellington: Perfect race to start the World Cup, I like it.
- Fuji Speedway: Good race, problem I think is the date in the calendar, might be too much for the best drivers to travel to Japan only for this race. Also in February is likely there is snow in that area of Japan.
- Guimaraes: Nice race and good idea, I like it.
- Luxembourg: Good idea, but I would not classify this race as medium mountain. Also is the same day as the Brabantse Pijl so might be a bit problematic having both races the same day.
- Tangier: Nice race, but I have some doubts about the date in the calendar.
- Kuhtai: I like the profile and I like that the hardest climb of the day is the penultimate one instead of the last one.
- Brighton: Good positioned race, and good opportunity for the sprinters. Also can be good for the sprinters wanting to fight for the Olympics that did not race the Tour de France.
- Ljubljana: Is a nice designed race for the climbers, I like it.
- New York: Good race, problem I can see is the kind of riders who can win in GP Quebec and Montreal are not pure sprinters and this race is for sprinters.
- Bogotá: Good one to finish the World Cup, but maybe two weeks between it and Lombardia is too much as drivers will need to continue active to not lose the form.

2nd Belgian4444
- Wellington: Nice hilly race, I like it. Only problem I see is the race is exactly the same day as the last stage of New Zealand Tour and is in the same city, so is completely impossible.
- Muscat: Is an okay race for the sprinters and makes sense where it is located.
- Izmir: I tihnk is reallt bad pleace in the calendar one day after after Milano-Sanremo and one day before Catalunya.
- Bristol: I like the idea and is a well designed route, but is same day as Brabrantse Pijl and both race would overlap.
- Oran: Good designed and I agree with the date in the calendar, I think is a good one.
- Sarajevo: Okay race, but is right after Tour de Suisse and before the National Championships, can make some big names participate but cyclist would not change their preparation towards Tour de France to go here.
- Innsbruck: Nice race, but the race will be too affected by many top riders going to the Olympics.
- Lisboa: It is the one day after the Olympics and the same day as the last stage of the Volta a Portugal, it would not be possible to make the race in this date. Also I think is a race where sprinters can fight for the win, but is not the "flat criterium" we were asked for.
- Los Angeles: Good race but can be a bit problematically placed as it is the same day as the ITT World Championship.
- Bogota: I think is bit risky placed but could fit in the calendar, I like the design and I think would be a nice last race of the World Cup.

3rd JCKSNSpades
- New Zealand Grand Prix: Nice race, but is not logistically possible to finish the race in that climb.
- Brazilian Grand Prix: Nice race and I like the design, I think is an interesting one also to see which kind of riders participate.
- Algerian Grand Prix: I do not see the top riders making the trip after Paris-Nice / Tirreno-Adriatico to then go back to race Sanremo. Even though the profile is interesting.
- Danish Grand Prix: Is an okay race and is an alternative for the sprinters who are not racing in the Ardennes. I think logistically is not possible for a city like Faxe to host the finish.
- Slovenian Grand Prix: Nice design and nice race, I think it is a good mountain race.
- Austrian Grand Prix: Is the same day as the Tour de Suisee, that would limit the participation of the race in my opinion.
- British Grand Prix: Good positioned race, and good opportunity for the sprinters. Also can be good for the sprinters wanting to fight for the Olympics that did not race the Tour de France.
- Portuguese Grand Prix: I like it is just a few days after Volta a Portugal, but maybe too close to San Sebastian even if can be done, I like the idea. The climb where you placed the finish line does not even have a parking near, so it is not logistically possible.
- United States Grand Prix: I like it and is well placed in the calendar, problem I see is that the finish line is in downhill.
- Japanese Grand Prix: Nice race to finish the World Cup, but again not logistically possible to finish in that climb.

KristanStrømhyldenHimo
- Wellington: It is a very nice race to start the World Cup, but I think traveling here after the Tour Down Under and then go back to Austria for the Cadel Evans race might bit a bit too much for the cyclists. Also the finish line I think is not possible, as there is no big parking or place for all the logistics.
- Kuwait: Good flat race for the sprinters and well positioned in the calendar.
- Sheikh Zayd: I think the race is bad positioned in the calendar, is just a few days before Sanremo and the big sprinters will not go there after Paris-Nice or Tirreno-Adriatico to then come back for Sanremo.
- Caracas: It is okay race and I like the idea, but I do not know how realistic it is to make a race of the World Cup in Venezuela. Also I do not see any rider travelling to South America only for this race.
- Port of Spain: The race has some gravel roads, so is not valid for the contest accoridng to the rules. I like you thought about making it after the race in Caracas so riders going there can make both races.
- Funchal: Is a nice race, maybe a bit too hard and too close to the National Championships.
- Kühtaisattel: Is an okay race after Tour de France.
- Oran: I like the race and I think is well positioned in the calendar, might be interesting for many riders to attend here.
- Pittsburgh: I like the race and is well designed, maybe too close to GP Quebec and Montreal and would have been better to make it the Sunday before.
- Medellín: I think it is a nice race to finish the World Cup.


benoît.guillot
- Middle-Earth GP: Nice profile but I think is too easy to be classified as "hilly", sprinters nowadays can get over those small climbs very easy. Also, the finish is not realistic as it is in a downhill and not enough space in the parking.
- Jeddah Corniche GP: It is a good race for sprinters, but is not well placed at all in the calendar. The race is just one day before the UAE Tour, and the distance to go to the UAE Tour is too much as is the same as Berlin - Barcelona, simply not realistic.
- Red Bull GP: Did you check properly the last climb Gstättnerweg? The uphill is too narrow, can be okay; but the downhill is in a gravel road and of course that is not realistic. Also 13th of March is a bad date for this race as there are no races in the countries around, and it is still snow season in Austria so can be problematic with climbs over 1500m.
- Mediterranean Rif GP: I like the idea of this race, but again the whole last downhill is in a gravel road. Finish line could be a bit better positioned instead of right after two roundabouts. Date could be a bit problematic as it is the same day as Brabrantse Pijl and the start of the Ardennes races.
- Franz-Ferdinand Memorial GP: I like the race, is a good and interesting high mountain race that can offer a good fight between the climbers. Problem is that ski resort/town is not enough to place all the logistics needed to host the end of the race.
- Chacabuco GP: Nice race, but none of the big climbers are going to go there to race. Every rider is racing their national championships, prepairing the Tour de France or both; no one is going to go to South America only for this race. Also finish line in that climb is not possible with only a parking for barerly 20 or 30 cars.
- Baltic Sea GP: Only three days before the Olympics race in Paris with a parcours favourable for the sprinters, the big ones will not go to Tallinn.
- Mount Kigali Challenge GP: Same problem as in most of the races, it is okay designed but because of the date no important cyclists will go to race it. Again finish line not possible as is just a road with no parking or place to even place two trucks.
- Rocky Mountains GP: Again bad placed on the calendar, same day as the ITT World Championships and one week before the road race.
- Gyeongbokgung Palace GP: It is a nicely designed hilly race, I like it and I think is a good way to end the World Cup.

tank05psp
- Port Moresby: Good idea to make the race in Papua, problem is circuit is too short and finish line is not placed in a realistic place.
- Beyrouth: Nice idea, not realistic date as it is overlaped with so many other races.
- Casablanca: Again, not realistic date for this race as the big sprinters will be ready to race Milano-Sanremo just three days after.
- Zelezniki: Nice race and nice idea, but finish line is a bit too unrealistic in that place and small village.
- Recife: Okay race, but I do not see which sprinters will travel there just for one race.
- Pietermaritzburg: No rider will go to this race, they are finishing their preparation for the Tour de France or riding their National Championships.
- Lisboa: Not that hard to be clasified as hilly in my opinion, and also is in between the Tour de France and ITT World Championships is not well positioned in the calendar.
- San José: Downhill from Cerro El Tablazo is in a gravel road, so this race is not valid for the contest and could never happen as a real race.
- Running springs: Good race and good idea, I think is too close to GP Quebec and Montreal as the distance between each race is too far away.
- Daejeon: Nice race but this is not a mid mountain race with a top finish, is just a hilly race.

BETTO
- Quito: The race is well positioned in the calendar and I like the profile, but is not valid as you used some gravel roads.
- Pasto: It makes no sense at all this race to me, at the same time as Tour Colombia is a terrible date for it. Also used gravel roads again.
- Cardiff: Nice race for sprinters, but does not fit in the calendar as all races are still in Southern Europe around the Mediterranean sea.
- Saudi Dénivelé Challenge: I like the design of this race and I think it is very interesting and creative one. Honestly I do not see this as a high mountain stage, I think needs a couple more climbs. Also is poorely placed in the calendar to be honest.
- Asmara: Nice race in a different country, but again I do not see any top rider changing their calendar to go there to race. Again use of some gravel roads.
- Ljubljana: Nice route, but you palced it on a Saturday which is not allowed and in the same weekend as the National Championships, that is not realistic.
- Copenhagen: Okay route for the sprinters, again I do not see it well placed in the calendar but this one can be understandable and some top sprinters might go.
- Visegrad: Badly palced again, at the same time as Tour of Denmark and Tour de Pologne.
- San Bernardino Challenge: Nice route.
- Wellington: Okay race for the sprinters, but I think is too much again to make the teams go to Oceania after starting the season there.
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Here's my vote.

1) JCKSNSpades - I like all of your races.

2) Philippe99 - I like your races too! Cons: I think Austrian race is a little bit too difficult and that i don't know how/if could be easy organize a race in NYC.

3) tank05psp - Maybe your races do not fit perfectly in the UCI calendar; on the other hand, you draw beatiful routes, even if southafrican race is a little weaker then the others.
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The first vote of the season contest is now closed as every particippant has voted and I want to thank you all for that.

The points awarded for this set are :

1st : Philippe99 // 105 pts
2nd ex-aequo : benoît.guillot & JCKSNSpades // 55 pts
4th : Belgian44 // 40 pts
5th : KristanStrømhyldenHimo // 25 pts
6th : BETTO // 15 pts
7th ex-aequo : Tank05psp & Diego12Alpe // 10 pt

General Standing :
1st : Philippe99 // 105 pts
2nd ex-aequo : benoît.guillot & JCKSNSpades // 55 pts
4th : Belgian44 // 40 pts
5th : KristanStrømhyldenHimo // 25 pts
6th : BETTO // 15 pts
7th ex-aequo : Tank05psp & Diego12Alpe // 10 pt
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