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BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by emmea90 » 26/08/2018, 20:43

Contest #8 - BinckBank Tour (Cat. 2) - Voting

In this topic you can vote for the Winter Stage Races, according to the following rules.

PLEASE READ ALL THE POST BEFORE VOTING

How to vote

1 - You have to judge the track according to the requirements. This time I'll link the topic because it's too long to quote. Check the post
2 - You have to write in a post your best FIVE routes, from worse to best, providing a brief motivation for each choice
FIFTH PLACE
(Motivation)

FOURTH PLACE
(Motivation)

THIRD PLACE
(Motivation)

SECOND PLACE
(Motivation)

FIRST PLACE
(Motivation)
How does it work?
- First choice got 6 points, second 4, third 3, fourth 2 and fifth 1 point.
- Presentation bonus grant you 3 points (we will add later with penalties who took the bonus)
- Ranking will be made according to points obtained
- In case of equality I will decide the winner
- YOU CAN'T VOTE FOR YOURSELF
- You can also comment other people's reviews regarding your or other one's routes
- YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR VOTE ONCE SUBMITTED

Who can vote?
- Every user that submitted a contest (full points vote)
- Every user in the La Flamme Rouge Staff (Emmea90, Pigna, Sagan99, Matthorse, Nasdon33, Linkinito, Bose12)
- Every user that has registered BEFORE 26 august 2018 and has at least 10 tracks in the editor. In this case, his votes counts half of the points scale

Penalties
- Every user that submitted a contest and doesn't submit a valid vote (with 5 choices and motivations) will get a 10 points penalty for all his routes.
- It's FORBBIDDEN to ask for votes. Who will be caught public or privately asking for a vote to some users will get a 50 points penalty in first instance, then the exclusion from all the contests of the year
- Vote penalties for unpracticable routes will be assigned by staff during this phase

Deadline for vote phase is 9 september 2018, h 23.59

Tracks:
mauro-v1: maps/tours/view/10051
alfa-v1: maps/tours/view/10042 +3 bonus
stca90-v1: maps/tours/view/10093
xander66-v1: maps/tours/view/10296 +3 bonus
arnorius-v1: maps/tours/view/10036 +3 bonus
piet_agoras-v1: maps/tours/view/10046 +3 bonus

PLEASE ALWAYS SPECIFY THE VERSION OF THE ROUTE YOU VOTE FOR (1 or 2 WHERE AVAILABLE)
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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by Arnorius » 30/08/2018, 11:06

I don't get my 3 points? :D

Quite easy to vote as there are only 5 tracks I can vote... :p


FIFTH PLACE - mauro-v1
Three uphill finishes is just too much, especially if you also have those other stages like TT on the Muur, Finish just after Kemmelberg, ...
And eh, does your TT start with the descend of Bosberg on cobbles? 59@@

FOURTHPLACE - stca90-v1
As i can't see the profiles... :p But still better then the other one as far as i can see.

THIRD PLACE - alfa-v1
Only 1 start and 1 finish in The Netherlands? Also stages four and five aro too much the same I think.

SECOND PLACE - xander66-v1
Would have liked it a little bit harder, but this is a realistic track i think. Only the stage to Maastricht I see a mistake, Your local lap around Gulpen should be in the onther direction i think, now you take some climbs in the wrong direction. But for the rest nice work ;)

FIRST PLACE - piet_agoras-v1
I really like your cobbles in Emmen. They seem of another kind like the Roubaix or Flanders ones, but doesn't make them easier. Also the Bouillon stage is one of my favourites, some nice hills in that region :) Maybe your stage finishes in Nijmegen and Verviers are not best picked, but could be worse.

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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by Piet_Agoras » 03/09/2018, 12:42

Arnorius wrote:
30/08/2018, 11:06
Quite easy to vote as there are only 5 tracks I can vote... :p
I hope more people will vote, otherwise it will be a boring result :)


FIFTH PLACE - alfa-v1
Your Ardennesroute is using loads of hiking trails... Almost not even doable with a MTB. Only 1 Start / Finish in the Netherlands, and the sponsor is a Dutch Bank. I don't think they will be happy about this...

FOURTHPLACE - mauro-v1
"Grand Depart" in Germany, boring long stage to Mur de Huy, Descending on the cobbled side of the Bosberg on a TT-bike :nana: But at least all your roads you used exist.

THIRD PLACE - xander66-v1
Almost a classic BinckBankTour. To bad you haven't used the wind in the Netherlands (you were starting in Terneuzen anyway), and for my taste the final stage is to easy. But this is close to what a real BBT would look like.

SECOND PLACE - stca90-v1
Love the thematic Zoo-to-Zoo stage. The Wiltz-stage looks wild as well! To bad I can't see the stages in detail, or you might have come first.

FIRST PLACE - Arnorius -v1
Classic wind and hill stages in the Netherlands. Very nice Ardennes and Cobbles stages. The Veille Route de Saint-Vith is a monster, I noticed last summer ;), a nice addition to the route. I think of the (unfortunatly very limited) proposals this one could offer the best spectacle all week.

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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by Alfa » 03/09/2018, 18:44

MY VOTE:

5th place: mauro-v1

I dont understand that finish on Redoute, I dont think it's a good idea. The TT on Geraardsbergen is very strange, with downhill on cobbled part of Bosberg, wtf?

4th place: stca90-v1

Sadly, we can't see the stages, it looks cool from the general map.

3rd place: Arnorius-v1

I think too much stages are flat. Ok, you have hardened the route but not enough for me.

2nd place: xander66-v1

I find your route very interesting, honestly i don't find any negative point, but somebody deserves, for me, the first place.

1st place: piet_agoras-v1

I find your route perfect, like all the stages are cool like the TT and 2nd stage with cobblestones which are my fav's.

GOOD LUCK
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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by StCa90 » 04/09/2018, 8:03

I hope you can now see my stages in detail. Apparently i did something wrong. Sorry. ;)

Here are my votes:
FIFTH PLACE - Mauro-v1
I don't like the fact that there are two start/finshplaces outside the Benelux countries. 'Grand Depart' in Germany and a key stage in France for a small stage race as 'Beneluxtour' is not what i like a lot.

FOURTH PLACE - Alfa-v1
Same story here why a finish in Aachen and not in The Netherlands. Now my fourth place otherwise it would be a lot higher in my quotation.

THIRD PLACE - Piet-agora-v1
Beautiful stages with sprintstages and classification stages. But for me ther are to big transportations between stagefinishes and startplaces. That is also something i don't like about the real BBtour

SECOND PLACE - Arnorius-v1
I like this stage race. The only thing i dislike is the Amstel Gold Race stage with a finish in LAnaken. For me to far from the hills in Nederlands Limburg.

FIRST PLACE - Xander66-v1
A good stage race. Sprint, Amstel, a windy race through De Moeren (Gent-Wevelgem), cobbels, Liege-Bastogne-Liege and RVV in Geraardsbergen. All the best things of Belgium and The Netherlands are inculded here. I'm only dissapointed that Luxemburg isn't included in the race. But although you deserved my first place! clap

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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by chuimiento » 07/09/2018, 14:12

Here is my voting for the BinckBank Tour:

FIFTH PLACE alfa-v1 maps/tours/view/10042
I think the time trial is too early and won't be significative for the final GC. Stage 2 is perfect. Stage 3 Amstel type, okey. Stage 4, Liège type. Stage 5 is also Liège type, which gives advantage for that type of riders. Stage 6 Roubaix type, stage 7 Ronde type.
Overall rating: two stages in Liège type give advantage to a type of rider.


FOURTH PLACE piet_agoras-v1 maps/tours/view/10046
First Stage is well, second stage Roubaix type (interesting, in Netherlands!), third stage Amstel type, and fourth Liège type. The TT is good placed and is pretty hard, making longer gaps than the classical flat tt. Other Liège type stage and Ronde to finish.
Overall rating: I don't like having two Liège type stages. Maybe the TT is too hard and decisive.


THIRD PLACE: arnorius-v1 maps/tours/view/10036
It's okey to have the first two stages as sprint. The time trial in stage 3 is also well placed. Fourth stage is the Amstel type, fifth Liège type, sixth Roubaix type, and finally Ronde-type.
Overall rating: structure is very good also, maybe the two sprint stages should be more spread.


SECOND PLACE: stca90-v1 maps/tours/view/10093
Stage 1 and 2 are great. The time trial is well placed. Then the Amstel type stage, after it the Liège one, Roubaix and Ronde to finish.
Overall rating: the balance is perfect and structure is pretty good also. Maybe the sprint stages could be more spread by the race.


FIRST PLACE: Xander66-v1 maps/tours/view/10296
First stage is perfectly made, second as Amstel type, third as sprint, the time trial is placed in the middle of the Tour, in its perfect location. Fifth stage is Roubaix-type, sixth is Liège-type and final one is the Ronde-type.
Overall rating: just perfect in structure and stage design. To criticize something, stages are too long.

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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by Xander66 » 09/09/2018, 17:09

5th: mauro-v1
Honestly speaking, I never would’ve voted for your route if I had more options. Starting in Germany, a stage to France, finishing on La Redoute… It’s all too much. I know it’s harsh, but I wouldn’t even consider this a real Binckbank Tour.

4th: piet_agoras-v1
I immediatly noticed the transfers in your Binckbank Tour. Okay, the Benelux isn’t that big, but riders would be on the bus more than on the bike. You’ve got a couple of excellent stages (cobbles in Holland, really nice idea), but I couldn’t forget about the transfers. Maybe the most unique tour of everyone, but that many transfer km’s really are a no-go for me…

3rd: alfa-v1
I miss the northern part of The Netherlands, but I still like your route. Okay, a finish and start and Germany isn’t perfect, but the important parts of the stage are in the Benelux. Transfers between stages aren’t too long either.

2nd: arnorius-v1
Good route, nothing bad about it when I took a first look at it. Still got a couple small remarks on second thought, which cost you the first place in the end. First of all, I think your stages are a bit too long, secondly, there’s nothing ‘special’ about it. Still, nice route, don’t forget about that.

1st: stca90-v1
I think you used every region at its best. Maybe a bit too classic (sprint stages – ITT – GC stages), but still a nice route. You could’ve done something more unique, but all-in all this is a good track.

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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by WaneToutFritYT1 » 09/09/2018, 19:28

I can't vote :sob:

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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by emmea90 » 11/09/2018, 21:14

Result
piet_agoras-v1 27
Xander66-V1 23
stca90-v1 16
Arnorius-v1 15,5
alfa-v1 12,5
Mauro-V1 -4

Update GC
Pincoletto 264
Pr8 161
Mike4296 160
Alfa 130
Dennis1107 105
Taaramae_crack 103
Bocmanis82 100
Piet_agoras 80
david.tuci 70
Xander66 68
Chiumiento 61
Belgian4444 60
antoinvds 60
Rmax85 58
Kanon16 50
Xiky 50
Arnorius 40
Stca90 40
Pereiroseleccion 38
Ded-Moroz 35
PaoloAgb 30
Laplaz 25
Math.Voet 25
Mauro 25
Timonierop 23
Mountain Master 20
Giorgio.ponticelli 20
Jibivalverde 18
xflyinghighx 15
tomrenm 11
mels2309 11
Diego12Alpe 7
pesallu 5
Benoit.guillot 4
Lorenzo.tripodi 3
Emilio.Torre 2
Az1234t 1

Mauro didn't get points from the contest because his point counting is negative
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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by Arnorius » 11/09/2018, 21:47

How do we get half points?

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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by emmea90 » 11/09/2018, 23:34

Arnorius wrote:
11/09/2018, 21:47
How do we get half points?
Who can vote?
- Every user that submitted a contest (full points vote)
- Every user in the La Flamme Rouge Staff (Emmea90, Pigna, Sagan99, Matthorse, Nasdon33, Linkinito, Bose12)
- Every user that has registered BEFORE 26 august 2018 and has at least 10 tracks in the editor. In this case, his votes counts half of the points scale
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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by Arnorius » 12/09/2018, 10:15

emmea90 wrote:
11/09/2018, 23:34
Arnorius wrote:
11/09/2018, 21:47
How do we get half points?
Who can vote?
- Every user that submitted a contest (full points vote)
- Every user in the La Flamme Rouge Staff (Emmea90, Pigna, Sagan99, Matthorse, Nasdon33, Linkinito, Bose12)
- Every user that has registered BEFORE 26 august 2018 and has at least 10 tracks in the editor. In this case, his votes counts half of the points scale
Still something wrong with the points.

Ok just checked it, you prabably just gave 6 points of mine to piet_agoras :p

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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by emmea90 » 12/09/2018, 10:38

Arnorius wrote:
12/09/2018, 10:15
emmea90 wrote:
11/09/2018, 23:34
Arnorius wrote:
11/09/2018, 21:47
How do we get half points?
Who can vote?
- Every user that submitted a contest (full points vote)
- Every user in the La Flamme Rouge Staff (Emmea90, Pigna, Sagan99, Matthorse, Nasdon33, Linkinito, Bose12)
- Every user that has registered BEFORE 26 august 2018 and has at least 10 tracks in the editor. In this case, his votes counts half of the points scale
Still something wrong with the points.

Ok just checked it, you prabably just gave 6 points of mine to piet_agoras :p
Right

Correct ranking is

Xander66-V1 23
Arnorius-v1 21,5
piet_agoras-v1 21
stca90-v1 16
alfa-v1 12,5
Mauro-V1 -4

GC
Pincoletto 264
Pr8 161
Mike4296 160
Alfa 130
Dennis1107 105
Taaramae_crack 103
Bocmanis82 100
Xander66 93
david.tuci 70
Arnorius 65
Chiumiento 61
Belgian4444 60
antoinvds 60
Rmax85 58
Kanon16 50
Xiky 50
Piet_agoras 40
Pereiroseleccion 38
Ded-Moroz 35
Stca90 30
PaoloAgb 30
Laplaz 25
Math.Voet 25
Mauro 25
Timonierop 23
Mountain Master 20
Giorgio.ponticelli 20
Jibivalverde 18
xflyinghighx 15
tomrenm 11
mels2309 11
Diego12Alpe 7
pesallu 5
Benoit.guillot 4
Lorenzo.tripodi 3
Emilio.Torre 2
Az1234t 1
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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by WaneToutFritYT1 » 12/09/2018, 21:48

- Every user that has registered BEFORE 26 august 2018 and has at least 10 tracks in the editor. In this case, his votes counts half of the points scale[/quote]
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Ok thanks now i can vote ;)

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Re: BinckBank Tour - Voting

Post by WaneToutFritYT1 » 12/09/2018, 21:51

WaneToutFritYT1 wrote:
12/09/2018, 21:48
- Every user that has registered BEFORE 26 august 2018 and has at least 10 tracks in the editor. In this case, his votes counts half of the points scale
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Ok thanks now i can vote ;)
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no because i'm out of the limit

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