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Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
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Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
It's Giro time!
As usual, the Giro contest will be about redesigning the 2021 route of Giro d'Italia.
Constraints are the following
Constraints
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It's Giro time!
As usual, the Giro contest will be about redesigning the 2021 route of Giro d'Italia.
Constraints are the following
Constraints
- As Turin and Piemonte paid for the start, Turin shall host start and finish of Stage 1. Piemonte region shall host Stage 2 and 3 start and finishes
- You have to mantain the finish of one stage in Slovenia
- You can go in Suisse, but it's not mandatory
- 2021 race is unbalanced for climbers due to TDF putting more ITT Kms. You have to keep this balance in your race
- As 2021 race never have two consecutive mass sprint finish stages, you have to keep this constraint also in your route
- You shall keep a strade bianche stage in your route
- You shall keep Foggia as the southern possible finish of your route. This doesn't mean you have to finish in Foggia, but that you can't start/finish south of it
- At least one of the MTFs of the 2021 giro shall be kept and the stage shall be re-designed to suit it better
- Finish shall be in Milan
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
1) Can we go south of Foggia if the stage starts and ends north of Foggia?
2) Is it possible to just go to Switzerland or even finish a stage and leave from there the next day?
2) Is it possible to just go to Switzerland or even finish a stage and leave from there the next day?
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
1) not with a start/finish of a stage, yes with a transit
2) only transit, no finish.
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
Just to clear any doubts. Stage 15 of Giro goes through Slovenia, but the stage finish is in Gorizia - Italy. Does the above sentence in quote mean that we should have the stage actually finish in Slovenia or just go through it and finish in Italy? Also, is start of stage in Slovenia prohibited?You have to mantain the finish of one stage in Slovenia
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
Gorizia is a mid case as it's a city split in two. Let's just say you can finish in Slovenia, but you have to stay near border. Start is prohibited.Micek_52 wrote: ↑11/05/2021, 10:25Just to clear any doubts. Stage 15 of Giro goes through Slovenia, but the stage finish is in Gorizia - Italy. Does the above sentence in quote mean that we should have the stage actually finish in Slovenia or just go through it and finish in Italy? Also, is start of stage in Slovenia prohibited?You have to mantain the finish of one stage in Slovenia
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
I will be able to submit for this one gladly. I had a route before but it starts in Potsdam
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
Hello, i'm new.
I'm thrilled to design a Giro route, is there a general rules page for these contests that i can visit?
If not, i've two generic questions, how much realism is required? (like of course possible finish places, but should i consider things like roads that can't be closed for traffic reasons, etc.) and how much should i stick to the actual 2021 Giro route? Other than the constraints do i've carte blanche?
I'm thrilled to design a Giro route, is there a general rules page for these contests that i can visit?
If not, i've two generic questions, how much realism is required? (like of course possible finish places, but should i consider things like roads that can't be closed for traffic reasons, etc.) and how much should i stick to the actual 2021 Giro route? Other than the constraints do i've carte blanche?
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
It's up to the voters, but of course the route shall be possible to do in the real life.Cwatt wrote: ↑11/05/2021, 22:45 Hello, i'm new.
I'm thrilled to design a Giro route, is there a general rules page for these contests that i can visit?
If not, i've two generic questions, how much realism is required? (like of course possible finish places, but should i consider things like roads that can't be closed for traffic reasons, etc.) and how much should i stick to the actual 2021 Giro route? Other than the constraints do i've carte blanche?
How much should you stick? Only constraints, rest is free.
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
Looking forward to my first Giro contest especially as I think the constraints on the roads taken are tougher for the Tour de France. I will be quite strict in my final votes but I expect nothing less towards me
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
Ecco il mio percorso, ispirato al novantesimo anniversario della maglia rosa. Ho disegnato un percorso che cerca di toccare le terre di quei corridori che hanno vestito la maglia rosa ma non hanno mai vinto il Giro, anche se per ovvie ragioni non è stato possibile farlo con tutti (per esempio con i siciliani e Aru). Per questo motivo ho pensato ad un percorso che nella prima parte non sia troppo duro e consenta parecchi cambi di leader della classifica. Le tappe di alta montagna sono solo sei, ma non penso che gli scalatori siano sfavoriti, mentre per quanto riguarda le cronometro ho preferito metterne solo una di 45 Km. Le tappe per velocisti sono sei, una in più rispetto al vero Giro 2021. Il primo riposo si effettua il giovedì della seconda settimana; il successivo è previsto quattro giorni più tardi, il lunedì della terza settimana.
PS. Se qualcuno si chiedesse come ho fatto a disegnarlo così velocemente, a soli due giorni dall’apertura del concorso, in realtà l’avevo disegnato nelle scorse settimane e poi mi è bastato semplicemente adattarlo alle regole del contest con qualche ritocco qua e là
Here is my Giro, inspired by the 90th anniversary of the pink jersey. I designed a route that tries to touch the lands of those riders who wore the pink jersey but never won the Giro, even if for obvious reasons it was not possible to do it with everyone (for example with the Sicilians and Aru). For this reason I have thought of a path that in the first part is not too hard and allows several changes of leader of the classification. There are only six high mountain stages, but I don't think the climbers are underdogs, while as regards the time trials I preferred to put only one of 45 km. There are five stages for sprinters, like in the real 2021 Giro. The first rest dat takes place on Thursday of the second week; the next is scheduled four days later, on the Monday of the third week.
PS. If anyone were to ask how I drew it so quickly, just two days after the competition opened, I actually drew it in the past few weeks and then it was enough for me to simply adapt it to the contest rules with a few tweaks here and there
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PS. Se qualcuno si chiedesse come ho fatto a disegnarlo così velocemente, a soli due giorni dall’apertura del concorso, in realtà l’avevo disegnato nelle scorse settimane e poi mi è bastato semplicemente adattarlo alle regole del contest con qualche ritocco qua e là
Here is my Giro, inspired by the 90th anniversary of the pink jersey. I designed a route that tries to touch the lands of those riders who wore the pink jersey but never won the Giro, even if for obvious reasons it was not possible to do it with everyone (for example with the Sicilians and Aru). For this reason I have thought of a path that in the first part is not too hard and allows several changes of leader of the classification. There are only six high mountain stages, but I don't think the climbers are underdogs, while as regards the time trials I preferred to put only one of 45 km. There are five stages for sprinters, like in the real 2021 Giro. The first rest dat takes place on Thursday of the second week; the next is scheduled four days later, on the Monday of the third week.
PS. If anyone were to ask how I drew it so quickly, just two days after the competition opened, I actually drew it in the past few weeks and then it was enough for me to simply adapt it to the contest rules with a few tweaks here and there
maps/tours/view/18650
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
In the first ITT of Turin, is it possible to finish it at Superga?
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
Is it allowed for the aesthetic to fix profile errors in the presentation, like a necessary passage through a tunnel?
Example Stage is Pordenone to Pian del Cansiglio
Before:
After
Hence it makes the presentation look a little nicer and means you don't have to avoid climbs / routes just because they have a tunnel in them so it ruins the profile (of course I have simply edited the png in paint here, so the original is what you will see when going through the actual tour on lfr.)
Example Stage is Pordenone to Pian del Cansiglio
Before:
After
Hence it makes the presentation look a little nicer and means you don't have to avoid climbs / routes just because they have a tunnel in them so it ruins the profile (of course I have simply edited the png in paint here, so the original is what you will see when going through the actual tour on lfr.)
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
I do this always when the road passes the tunnel, because it is not only better looking, it also gives an more accurate profile of the route (Sometimes the tunnels are seen as 30% climbs, while in practice they obviously are not). This exactly what the tunnel function in the editor is meant to do, so I can no reason why it is not allowedFyr3 wrote: ↑13/05/2021, 14:50 Is it allowed for the aesthetic to fix profile errors in the presentation, like a necessary passage through a tunnel?
Example Stage is Pordenone to Pian del Cansiglio
Before:
After
Hence it makes the presentation look a little nicer and means you don't have to avoid climbs / routes just because they have a tunnel in them so it ruins the profile (of course I have simply edited the png in paint here, so the original is what you will see when going through the actual tour on lfr.)
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
What are the MTF in "At least one of the MTFs of the 2021 giro shall be kept and the stage shall be re-designed to suit it better"?
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
For the MTF to keep, is it allowed to change the side of the climb, as long as we keep the summit unchanged, or is it the whole final climb that must stay the same?
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
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As Turin and Piemonte paid for the start, Turin shall host start and finish of Stage 1. Piemonte region shall host Stage 2 and 3 start and finishes - YES
You have to mantain the finish of one stage in Slovenia - YES, stage 15
You can go in Suisse, but it's not mandatory - YES, stage 18
2021 race is unbalanced for climbers due to TDF putting more ITT Kms. You have to keep this balance in your race - YES, it is 45 km ITT (Stage 1 and Stage 20)
As 2021 race never have two consecutive mass sprint finish stages, you have to keep this constraint also in your route - YES
You shall keep a strade bianche stage in your route - YES, stage 7
You shall keep Foggia as the southern possible finish of your route. This doesn't mean you have to finish in Foggia, but that you can't start/finish south of it - YES
At least one of the MTFs of the 2021 giro shall be kept and the stage shall be re-designed to suit it better - YES, stage 19 and finish in Alpe Motta
Finish shall be in Milan - YES
Details of my Giro d'Italia 2021 route
Length: 3327 km
Flat stages: 6
Medium mountain stages: 7
Mountain stages: 6
ITT stages: 2
Longest stage: Stage 16 Vicenza - Mori (212,6 km)
The shortest stage (without ITT): Stage 21 Palazzolo sull'Oglio - Milano (127,9 km)
Cima Coppi: Passo Umbrail (2500 m)
Week 1 - There is a lot going on during this week. You may not be able to win the race, but you can certainly lose it. The chaotic nature of the first week won't give me much peace or provide many lazy days in front of the TV.
Week 2 - There's something for everyone, but if you want to count in the battle for the "magilia rosa", it's definitely not going to be a pleasant week for the leader teams.
Week 3 - An accumulation of chaoticness. Long climbs, crazy descents and steep walls. Only the best legs can accumulate enough strength for 3 days of murderous struggle, but Milan will reward every suffering and sacrifice.
One-day breaks will be after stages 9 and 15.
I want my Giro route to be dynamic, unpredictable and very exciting.
Greetings
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
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Re: Contest #4 - Giro d'Italia 2021
Fyr3 wrote: ↑15/05/2021, 23:43 Fyr3 2020 Giro d'Italia
I will be posting the route here although I am not completely finished, I have to make the profiles and some stuff like the route map, however here is my provisional route. Of course once finished I will add the full presentation with spoilers.
Summary:
- 2 Individual Time Trials (~40km)
- 7 Flat Stages
- 3 Hilly Stages (Including Strade Bianche)
- 3 Medium Mountain Stages (1 HTF)
- 6 High Mountain Stages (4 MTF)
In keeping with the rules:
Turin hosts the start and finish of the opening stage
Piemonte hosts stages 2 and 3
You haven’t included any source of entering your route
Stage in Slovenia (I am confused about the rules here, my stage finishes back in Italy after a passage but if need be I can move the finish back into slovenia no problem.)
No finishes in Switzerland
Kept the balance of mountain vs tt (5 summit finishes and plenty more opportunities to attack Dumoulins.)
No consecutive flat stages
Strade bianche stage kept (stage 7)
Stayed north of Foggia (lowest point reached is Monte Amiata so not even close)
Redesigned MTF to Sega di Ala to improve attacking opportunities (less valley between the penultimate and final climbs)
Final stage finishes in Milan
Key points:
Summit finishes at Sormano, Abetone, Sega di Ala, Plan di Montecampione and Gerola Alta.
Cima Coppi on the Colle dei Morti (2481m)
Climbs featured in this edition:
- Pian Canelli
- Rifugio Sette Termini
- Civiglio
- Muro di Sormano
- Monte Benedetto
- Passo Cantoniera
- Monte Nerone
- Valico di Monte Amiata
- Passo del Lume Spento
- Passo del Cerreto
- Passo di Pradarena
- Passo di Pradaccio (San Pellegrino in Alpe)
- Passo dell'Abetone
- Kolovrat (Slovenia)
- Passo Praderadego
- Passo Cereda
- Forcella Aurine
- Passo Duran
- Passo della Crosetta
- Passo Fedaia
- Passo Pordoi
- Passo Valparola
- Passo Giau
- Passo di San Valentino
- Sega di Ala
- Passo del Maniva
- Plan di Montecampione
- Colle di Zambla
- Passo San Marco
- Gerola Alta (Pescegallo)
- Rifugio di Valmala
- Colle di Sampeyre
- Colle dei Morti
- Madonna del Colletto
Route
1.)Torino to Torino (ITT)
2.)Venaria Reale to Canale (hill)
3.)Alba to Novara (flat)
4.)Borgomanero to Sormano (med mo)
5.)Modena to Cattolica (flat)
6.)Bagno di Romagna to Pietralunga (med mo)
7.)Castiglione del Lago to Montalcino (hills)
8.)Siena to La Spezia (flat)
9.)Santo Stefano di Magra to Abetone (mountain)
-- rest in Emilia - Romagna --
10.)Ravenna to Mestre (flat)
11.)Venezia to Cividale del Friuli (hills)
12.)Pordenone to Pian del Cansiglio (med mo)
13.)Belluno to Cortina d’Ampezzo (mountain)
14.)Treviso to Mantova (flat)
15.)Riva del Garda to Sega di Ala (mountain)
-- rest in Veneto --
16.)Verona to Plan di Montecampione (mountain)
17.)Mazzano to Gerola Alta (mountain)
18.)Omegna to Verbania (ITT)
19.)Verbania to Rivarolo Canavese (flat)
20.)Cuneo to Borgo San Dalmazzo (mountain)
21.)Nichelino to Milano (flat)
Spoiler!