Here we are! It's time to draw the Giro!

The route has to fulfill the following mandatory request:

- Grande Partenza (Big Departure) has to be in a big italian city

- Two stages has to be a circuit that start and finish in a big italian city (or in a significant tourist location)

- ITT has to be the same that in real life Giro 2023; between 70 and 75 kms and the last one has to be with a MTF

- Like in real life Giro 2023 one stage has to finish and one stage has to start in Suisse

- One High Mountain Stage has to take place in Dolomiti.

For the rest of the Giro you are completely free, obviously respecting UCI rules.

Deadline is June 4th 23.59

Enjoy!

Giro d'Italia 2023 (Fyr3)

Link: maps/tours/view/23015

Race details
Flat stages - 7 (6 pure sprint stages, 1 hilly stage suited for a sprint finish in Frosinone)
Hilly stages - 2
Medium mountain stages - 4 (1 summit arrival at Civitacampomarano)
High mountain stages - 6 (4 summit arrivals at Frontignano di Ussita, Monte Grappa, Maranza /Meransen and San Martino in Val Sarentino)
Time trials - 2 (74km total, 1 summit arrival at Alpe di Siusi / Seiser Alm)
Cima Coppi - Passo di Pennes (stage 17, 2215m)
Total distance - km
Total elevation gain - m

Route

1.) Taranto > Lecce (Flat stage)
2.) Gallipoli > Santa Maria di Leuca (50km flat individual time trial)
3.) Otranto > Bari (Flat stage)
4.) Lucera > Beneveto (Medium mountain stage)
5.) Beneveto > Civitacampomarano (Medium mountain stage)
6.) Trivento > Frosinone (Hilly stage with a flat finish)
7.) Roma > Roma (Hilly stage)
8.) Rieti > Frontignano di Ussita (Mountain stage)
9.) San Severino Marche > Porto Recanati (Hilly stage)

10.) Ancona > Ravenna (Flat stage)
11.) Ferrara > Monte Grappa (Mountain stage)
12.) Vicenza > Verona (Medium mountain stage)
13.) Venezia > Udine (Flat stage)
14.) Pordenone > Tarvisio (Medium mountain stage)
15.) Tolmezzo > Meransen - Maranza Alto Adige (Mountain stage)

16.) Klausen - Chiusa > Seiser Alm - Alpe di Siusi (23km mountain time trial)
17.) Fondo - Sarnonico > Reinswald - San Martino in Val Sarentino (Mountain stage)
18.) Trento > Chiari (Hilly stage with a flat finish)
19.) Bergamo > Gerola Alta (Mountain stage)
20.) Menaggio > Lugano (Mountain stage)
21.) Mendrisio > Milano (Flat Stage)

Presentation:

First of all, I already made my route, so I ain't making this question for me necessarily. Don't you think the two circuits rule is a bit unfair? I understand the desire to resemblance the actual route, and with the Napoli stage is completely understandable (tho originally it was gonna be a TT), but the other circuit stage is the Roma circuit and replicating it is a bit off imo. I mean, I don't mind too much having a circuit as final stage, but replicating it when it's a stage with basically zero value to the GC seems a little unfair, even more when all the other requests aim to have an actual impact on the GC (or being contractual, in the case of Suisse).

Also, another question that popped up in my mind: recalling the 2019 Giro, I realized that the Lago Serrú top finish was higher than the Cima Coppi of that year, the Passo Manghen. I also remembered the same happened in la Vuelta 2021, where they gave the Cima Alberto Fernadez to the Gamoniteiro, when the highest climb was Collado Venta Luisa from stage 9 (I don't remember a case in the Tour right now). In relation to our topic, as this is key for the Giro (with its own trophy even), I was wondering if there's any special case in which we might give the Cima Coppi to a climb that isn't the highest point of the route, or in the other hand, to keep it from a climb that's the peak of the race.

I'd like to read your thoughts on both questions.
And I'm eager to post my proposal here, just polishing some things and it'll be up soon enough hopefully.

aqswdeaqswde wrote: ↑15/05/2023, 5:50

Also, another question that popped up in my mind: recalling the 2019 Giro, I realized that the Lago Serrú top finish was higher than the Cima Coppi of that year, the Passo Manghen. I also remembered the same happened in la Vuelta 2021, where they gave the Cima Alberto Fernadez to the Gamoniteiro, when the highest climb was Collado Venta Luisa from stage 9 (I don't remember a case in the Tour right now). In relation to our topic, as this is key for the Giro (with its own trophy even), I was wondering if there's any special case in which we might give the Cima Coppi to a climb that isn't the highest point of the route, or in the other hand, to keep it from a climb that's the peak of the race.

The Cima Coppi of the 2019 edition was supposed to be the Gavia Pass, higher than Lake Serrù. The ascent to Gavia was removed from the route at the last moment due to snow and so the organization moved Cima Coppi to the next higher climb, Manghen, scheduled for the penultimate stage. It has always been done like this: in case of snow the Cima Coppi is not retroactive, but is postponed to the next highest ascent, even if it is lower than 2000 meters

aqswdeaqswde wrote: ↑15/05/2023, 5:50 First of all, I already made my route, so I ain't making this question for me necessarily.

Spoiler!

And yeah, I'm aware of sanctions but I'm gonna go with it

Don't you think the two circuits rule is a bit unfair? I understand the desire to resemblance the actual route, and with the Napoli stage is completely understandable (tho originally it was gonna be a TT), but the other circuit stage is the Roma circuit and replicating it is a bit off imo. I mean, I don't mind too much having a circuit as final stage, but replicating it when it's a stage with basically zero value to the GC seems a little unfair, even more when all the other requests aim to have an actual impact on the GC (or being contractual, in the case of Suisse).

Also, another question that popped up in my mind: recalling the 2019 Giro, I realized that the Lago Serrú top finish was higher than the Cima Coppi of that year, the Passo Manghen. I also remembered the same happened in la Vuelta 2021, where they gave the Cima Alberto Fernadez to the Gamoniteiro, when the highest climb was Collado Venta Luisa from stage 9 (I don't remember a case in the Tour right now). In relation to our topic, as this is key for the Giro (with its own trophy even), I was wondering if there's any special case in which we might give the Cima Coppi to a climb that isn't the highest point of the route, or in the other hand, to keep it from a climb that's the peak of the race.

I'd like to read your thoughts on both questions.
And I'm eager to post my proposal here, just polishing some things and it'll be up soon enough hopefully.

It's not mandatory that last stage has to be in Rome or that has to be a circuit.

In the past Giro have had often stages like this; then last year's better stages was in a circuit (Naples and Turin).

Cheers

I had forgotten about the Gavia in 2019, so there's that. I asked about it as it's essential to the Giro, but it was just a case driven by the circumstances.
And well, the two circuit rule was something that was bugging me a little, but as I said, I ain't even doing it for my route so it was just curiosity. I'm sure we'll see some wonderful circuits in the contest, all the while I'm breaking that rule... sorry about that.

Thanks to both for answering, it's just some things I was wondering about.

Here is my Giro d'Italia. This year I wasn't inspired by a precise leitmotif in designing it, but i kept three "fixed points" (apart from the rules of the game): a stage dedicated to Davide Rebellin (the final one in Verona), a stage dedicated to Sergio Zavoli on the 100th anniversary of his birth (the stage in Rome) and two stages dedicated to the 30th anniversary of Mapei's entry into the cycling world (the thirteenth with arrival at the Centro Ricerche Mapei Sport of Olgiate Olona and the next stage starting from Valmorea, birthplace of Aldo Sassi)

maps/tours/view/22975

Here's my route.
maps/tours/view/22969

Hi, I'm new here. This is my Giro. I hope you will like it.
maps/tours/view/23013

Total distance : 3287,11 km

6 High mountain stage with 4 top finishes
3 Medium mountain stages with 1 top finish
3 Hilly stage
6 Plain stages
2 ITT

68 KOM including 14 first category and the cima coppi in Colle Fauniera


maps/tours/view/23029

Hello people:

The Giro 2023 from ChiefMasterPro is out: https://la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/tours/view/23038

Stages that are finished constructing and have final profiles are shown here with some words from me:

Here is mine. - maps/tours/view/23030
From Pisa to Roma.
3 - ITT
7 - Flat Stages
7 - Medium Mountain Stages
4 - High Mountain Stages

Hey everyone!

I'm back to the contest on this forum after a long time
This is my proposal from Giro 2023

Mandatory request:

- Grande Partenza (Big Departure) has to be in a big italian city - Pisa

- Two stages has to be a circuit that start and finish in a big italian city (or in a significant tourist location) - stage 2 around Livorno, stage 11 around Padova

- ITT has to be the same that in real life Giro 2023; between 70 and 75 kms and the last one has to be with a MTF - stage 1, stage 9, stage 21 with MTF

- Like in real life Giro 2023 one stage has to finish and one stage has to start in Suisse - stage 18, stage 19

- One High Mountain Stage has to take place in Dolomiti - stage 14
Greetings everyone

This is my submission for this contest

maps/tours/view/23053

-Grande Partenza in Abruzzo, starting in Pescara
-2 Stages with a circuit between big cities (Stage 9 in Firenze and Stage 21 in Milano)
-72,55kms of Time Trial, including a mountain TT in teh 3rd week, finishing in Nevegal
-Stage finish (Martigny) and Stage start (Sierre) in Switzerland
-Stage 20 is a big Dolomitic mountain marathon

I tried to make a balanced route, without going overboard as i didn't want it to be irrealistic. Gotta control my inner Zomegnan lmao
Hope you enjoy my route

Hi everybody !

Here is the Giro i've drawn for the contest: maps/tours/view/23103
I'll describe it a lil' bit.

1- The Giro starts with its longest ITT around Cagliari, in Sardegna. It is a bit hilly, with the finish after a short climb wich will give already small gaps between favourites.
2- A flat stage between Oristano and Sassari. But it is not as flat as it might look like at first glance! Sprinters will need very strong legs to win it.
3- A medium mountain stage between Olbia and Dorgali. It is a narrow and steep road in the Passo Littu, 13km before the finish line, so you must be at the front of the peloton to avoid breaks and loosing time.
4- Already the first mountain stage! Cyclists have done for Sardegna, and now they are joining Sicilia to climb the Etna, departing from Ragusa. If there isn't to much wind, a hierarchy between favourites could emerge from this stage.
5- A long flat stage between Reggio Calabria and Catanzaro. The first half of the stage is mountainous, so it won't be a surprise if barouders win this one.
6- The longest stage of the Giro between Crotone and Paola (238km)! This is a very hilly one, only a very strong athlete will be able to win this one.
7- Castrovillari - Policoro: a short flat stage will enable the riders to breathe a lil' bit, and the sprinters to show their skills.
8- Taranto - Brindisi, another flat stage, but this one with any difficulty. Shaped for a mass sprint.
9- A critérium in the streets of Bari. This very short and flat stage will be spectacular to conclude the first week in the South part of Italy.
10- Starting in Napoli, this is an ITT stage with a top mountain finish on the Vesuvio!
11- A long mountain stage in the Abruzzo, starting from L'Aquila and finishing on top of the Passo Serra Sant'Antonio, not the most well-known climb in the region but the stage is hard enough to make differences.
12- Starting in Ancona, we continue to going North, joining the Citta di san Marino. Almost flat all the long, the finish could see a very strong sprinter or a great puncher crossing the line first.
13- An hilly stage between Firenze and Sienna. Riders will have to show their skills on white roads in this beautiful region of Toscana!
14- A flat stage between Savona and Cuneo, in the West of Italy. An opportunity for sprinters or for barouders with great max speed.
15- A mountain stage to end the second week, starting in Cuneo and finishing in the Colle Fauniera. The colle Fauniera will be climbed twice, from different roads in this short and surely spectacular stage.
16- The ultimate ITT will be riden in the streets of Torino.
17- The first of three consecutive mountain stages. This one will start in Como and finish in Switzerland, on top of the Julierpass.
18- Starting in the well-known ski resort of Sankt Moritz, this stage will play with the italian-switzerland border and finally finishing on top of the very difficult Passo dello Stelvio, the Cima Coppi of this Giro.
19- Last mountain stage will be short, so it would be spectacular if there is small gaps between the favourites! Going from Bolzano and climbing different Dolomiti's pass, finishing on top of Passo Gardena.
20- A flat stage in the extreme North-East of Italy, from Trieste to Pordenone. Sprinters will be happy after a very hard week 3.
21- Last stage is a critérium of 5 laps on the Punta della Liberta in Venezia. Favourites will have to be carefull in the last stage, because breaks in the peloton may occurs on the bridge if there is wind!

I hope you will enjoy this Giro more than the real one

Hi!

There' s my entry for Giro Contest.

My Giro has:
- 7 plain stages
- 6 medium mountain stages
- 5 high mountain stages
- 3 ITT (1 MTF)

I try to keep short the trasfer between stages, except for the trasfer to Rome (and partly for the transfet in rest day); then in the weekend I put stages that should be spectacular.

Stage 1: Napoli - Napoli


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First stage is already the longest one; stage is made by 2 circuit, the long one (61,1 kms) is very techmical, while the short circuit (15,3 kms) has Posillipo climb that could break the peloton before the sprint.

Stage 2: Pompei - Ercolano



Stage for breakaways, but if some GC rider could already struggle.

Stage 3: Salerno - Sapri



First stage for a bounch sprint.

Stage 4: Lagonegro - Polla



Second occasion in a row for sprinters.

Stage 5: Sala Consilina - Padile (ITT)



ITT, for 18 kms are for specialists, in the final there are 2,3 km a 7%

Stage 6: Potenza - San Severo



Breakaway shouldn't make it; another bounch sprint is coming.

Stage 7: San Severo - Chieti



Long stage, with first 130 kms plain. Then riders go up through Bocca di Valle, just before the Majeletta, the first hard climb of the Giro; from the KOM in all up and down to Chieti.

Stage 8: Pescara - Castelfidardo



Tirreno's muri marchigiani's stage; after 120 kms by the sea, in Porto Recanati peloton turns left inside Marche to climb short steep ascend (Muri). Stage for GC and classic riders

Stage 9: Jesi - Monte Nerone



First high mountain stage: 4 1st category KOM; in the last 50 kms riders climb Monte Nerone from two different sides.

Stage 10: Pontassieve - Reggio Emilia



After the rest day, this stage should finish in a bounce sprint but can be tricky in the first half: two 1st category KOM in which breakaway can gain few minutes, anyway in the last 70 kms peloton should close the gap.

Stage 11: Parma - Brescello (ITT)



Entire plain ITT for specialist

Stage 12: Mantova - Vicenza



Long stage, ideal for classical riders or maybe for a big breakaway; also today GC riders have to pay attention.

Stage 13: Cittadella - Lignano Sabbia d'oro



Short and super fast stage. 100% sprint

Stage 14: Trieste - Trieste



Tough circuit in Trieste to complete 210 kms; 3 steep and short climbs to repeat 5 times.

Stage 15: Gradisca d'Isonzo - Montemaggiore/Matajur (Rifugio Pelizzo)



High mountains stage in Friuli, through inedited climbs. Climbers that have lost time in the two past ITT or can gain same space before third ITT could attack.

Stage 16: Lago di Braies - Prato Piazza (ITT)



ITT without 1 meter plain: start from Braies lake, small descent and climb to Prato Piazza; ascent is not too steep and for this can make big difference.

Stage 17: Dobbiaco - Corvara - Alta Badia



Queen stage, up and down though the Dolomiti; beautiful seesight for a spectacular battle on the streets.

Stage 18: Bolzano - Bernina (Diavolezza)



This could be define as a strange stage: two long climbs, the Stelvio as Cima Coppi. For GC riders that have lost too much time, this stage could be perfect for a team attack from far away.

Stage 19: St. Moritz - Borgomanero



Plain stage to rest for GC riders before the big final mountain stage. Sprinters have a chance if their teams manage to keep the race close.

Stage 20: Borgosesia - Campocher (Monterosa Ski)



Last occasion to battle for the Giro. Nothing to add.

Stage 21: Roma (Palazzo dello Sport) - Roma (Fori Imperiali)



Last day, through the street in the beautiful Rome. I think that every year Giro has to finish in Rome just like Tour in Champs Elyssès and Vuelta in Madrid.