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Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by emmea90 » 09/09/2019, 15:48

Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down
The final contest of the season will be about Giro d'Italia.

What we want you to do is to draw a Giro upside down, like it was in 2009 (but better than that s**t route)

The only constraints of Giro are the following
1. You are not allowed to do stages in last week in Liguria, Emilia-Romagna and the regions above
2. One stage of last week must have a finish in Calabria
3. Campania, Molise, Puglia, Basilicata, Abruzzo must have at least stage finish in the race.
4. You are not allowed to start or go out of Italy
5. There should be at least 3 high mountain stages in last week

Deadline will be on Saturday October 12, when first rider passes the finish line on Giro di Lombardia
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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by AjachiChakrabarti » 08/10/2019, 1:21

improb wrote:
04/10/2019, 14:03
AjachiChakrabarti wrote:
02/10/2019, 23:00
My entry: maps/tours/view/13024
Colle degli Astesiani, which you use in stage 4, is on unpaved and unrideable roads (with road bike, that is)
Thank you. I knew I shouldn't have trusted it when Street View wouldn't give me anything. I've modified the stage: maps/viewtrack/305090
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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by jibvalverde » 08/10/2019, 21:27

Here is my Giro !

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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by kanon16 » 09/10/2019, 9:52

I've one question: How to visualize the data of the uphill arrival in the profile?
For example if the stage arrives to Blockhaus I'd like to see also "16 Km - 8,4%" or something like this next to the name of the arrival.
Thanks!!

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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by JoostvandeBeek » 09/10/2019, 10:10

kanon16 wrote:
09/10/2019, 9:52
I've one question: How to visualize the data of the uphill arrival in the profile?
For example if the stage arrives to Blockhaus I'd like to see also "16 Km - 8,4%" or something like this next to the name of the arrival.
Thanks!!
If you set show slopes on profile to yes, it will show the average slopes of all the climbs on your profile, also the one at the arrival

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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by kanon16 » 09/10/2019, 10:15

JoostvandeBeek wrote:
09/10/2019, 10:10
kanon16 wrote:
09/10/2019, 9:52
I've one question: How to visualize the data of the uphill arrival in the profile?
For example if the stage arrives to Blockhaus I'd like to see also "16 Km - 8,4%" or something like this next to the name of the arrival.
Thanks!!
If you set show slopes on profile to yes, it will show the average slopes of all the climbs on your profile, also the one at the arrival
Great! Thank you for the fast reply!

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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by luigi.russo » 10/10/2019, 16:54

Here it is my Giro Upside Down:
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My giro runs from North to South across almost whole Italy and can be divided in three parts, separated from rest days:
- the first week in North, with the Grande Partenza in Trentino, an early Dolomitic stage, a mountain top finish, a couple of sprint finishes and some classic-like stages,
- the second week in Center, with some not-so-easy stages for sprinters and three very hard mountain days between Abruzzo and Molise,
- the last week in South, with a very long ITT (as in the 2009 Giro), one stage for punchers and one for sprinters, mountains stages in Basilicata and Calabria, the ending in Catania with Etna in the last stage.

First Week
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Stage 1 - Saturday: Trento (Prologo) 3.75 km
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Grande Partenza in the city of Trento. Very short ITT from the MUSE (Museo delle Scienze di Trento) to the city center. The first maglia rosa will be a prologue specialist.

Stage 2 - Sunday: Rovereto - Bressanone 137 km
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Second stage of the Grande Partenza in Trentino. Crossing both Trento and Bolzano, the stage starts from the MART (Museo d'Arte Moderna di Trento).
There is the first GPM and a long but smooth ascending to Bressanone, when a resistant sprinter can take the Maglia Rosa.

Stage 3 - Monday: Bolzano - Asiago 177 km
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First mountain stage from Trentino to Veneto, early but relatively soft.
Two Dolomitic Pass in the start, then the shorter ascent to Edego and some easy climb until Asiago.

Stage 4 - Tuesday: Asiago - Brescia 189 km
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Some GPM in the start, plain around the Lago di Garda (crossing Veneto, Trentino and Lombardia), a short climb in the ending and easy finish in Brescia.

Stage 5 - Wednesady: Brescia - Varese 173 km
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Stage for punchers on the road of the Tre Valli Varesine with a lot of short climbs in the ending.

Stage 6 - Thursday: Varese - Cascata del Toce 165 km
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Plain until Domodossola and then the long climb to Cascata del Toce and the first top finish in Lago di Morasco. First of three stages in Piemonte.

Stage 7 - Friday: Domodossola - Asti 182 km
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Easiest stage of the Giro with no GPM and a sure sprint finish.

Stage 8 - Saturday: Asti - Alba 189 km
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Extremely hilly stage with no stop uphills and downhills in the vineyards of Monferrato and Langhe.

Stage 9 - Sunday: Alessandria - Genova 183 km
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The first week ends with the first Appenninic climbs, all in the middle of the stage between Piemonte, Emilia and Liguria.
A tricky middle mountain stage with a Milan-Sanremo like ending, with Passo del Turchino (very much closer to finish line) and two short climbs near Genova.

Monday: Rest Day - Transfer Genova-Grosseto

Second Week
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Stage 10 - Tuesday: Grosseto - Rapolano 156 km
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Restart in Tuscany with a tricky plain stage, full of gravel road and with an ending in gentle slope.
Over 45 km of Strade Bianche around Siena with pratically no climbs that can be very dangerous for some GC riders.

Stage 11 - Wednesday: Sinalunga - Rieti 201 km
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A plain stage between Toscana and Lazio crossing Umbria, with the not-so-easy climb of Forca d'Arrone and two other short climb before the plain finish in Rieti.

Stage 12 - Thursday: Rieti - Campo Imperatore 127 km
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First Appenninic mountain stage, a short but costantly ascending one with the steep GPM of Cardito and the top finish in Campo Imperatore, over 2000m and Cima Coppi of the Giro.

Stage 13 - Friday: Santo Stefano di Sessanio - Sulmona 154 km
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Second mountain stage in Abruzzo with the tough Majelletta (beginning of the Blockhaus) and then some easier climbs and a long downhill. A stage suitable for long range attacks.

Stage 14 - Saturday: Sulmona - Capracotta 231 km
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Last stage of central Appenninic triptych in Molise, very long and with over 5000m of denivel, probably the toughest of the Giro.
Five GPM and some other climbs, with the toughest three in the ending: Pietrabbondante, Capracotta and Prato Gentile, with the downhill finish again in Capracotta.

Stage 15 - Sunday: Agnone - Cerignola 213 km
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Some GPM in the first half and plain finish for survivors sprinter or early escapers in Cerignola (Puglia).

Monday: Rest Day - Transfer Cerignola-Salerno

Third Week
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Stage 16 - Tuesday: Sorrento - Salerno (ITT) 59.75 km
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Spoiler!
The Giro style is not realistic in this stage, here it is a more adequate one
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Very long and demanding ITT in the amazing Costiera Amalfitana (inspired by the ITT in Cinque Terre in 2009 Giro), with a climb in the beginning and no flat until the last km in Salerno.

Stage 17 - Wednesday: Salerno - Sanza 202 km
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Long stage in the hilly region of Cilento, still in Campania. There are three major climbs but really many more and no plain in the last 120 km. The finish is on a short climb to the old town of Sanza.

Stage 18 - Thursday: Certosa di Padula - Madonna del Pollino 144 km
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Mountain stage in Basilicata with Monte Sirino in the midlle and the combo Colle Ruggio - Madonna del Pollino in the ending.
Probably the toughest ending of the Giro, with last 2 km in over 11% coming in the third week after a long ITT and a long hilly stage.

Stage 19 - Friday: Castrovillari - Catanzaro Lido 232 km
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A little break for the riders with an easy but very long stage from Basilicata to Calabria.
Mountain start, plain near the Tirrenian Coast, short hill in Catanzaro and ending on the Mar Ionio.

Stage 20 - Saturday: Soverato - Gambarie (Aspromonte) 227 km
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Another long stage in Calabria with the last top finish. Crocifisso dello Zilastro and Lago Rumia are very long climbs and the final ascents in the Aspromonte to the town of Santo Stefano and then again to the town of Gambarie can be decisive.
The stage ends near Reggio Calabria and then the riders can quickly reach Messina with ferry for the last not so long stage.

Stage 21 - Sunday: Messina - Catania 161 km
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Last stage and unusually a mountain one, between to big cities of Sicily and with a double ascent to Etna, where anything can still happen.
In the beginning there are two Sprints that can be decisive for the Maglia Ciclamino, then comes the Etna.
Etna da Giarre is a very long climb, Etna da Nicolosi is long too. Both are tough but no extreme and are followed by a very long downhill to the beautiful Piazza del Duomo in the center of Catania, where the Giro winner will be awarded.
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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by PaStKaz » 11/10/2019, 12:41

To bo honest - this Giro isn't very "girostyle" race. It starts in north of Italy so there are no legendary Alps and Dolimites mountains - for balance and becouse we can't go very high at beginning of May. South Italy have some nice mountains but also a lot of terrible roads. I can't promise you that any meter of asphalt shoudn't be repaired before this race. Anyway, it should be interesting 3 weeks. Enjoy!
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Spoiler!
S01 Salo-Salo 14,1 km ITT
Salo on lake Garda coast will host start of race. Individual time trial - not so long, not so hilly. Just to open the race and have great viewings from helicopter.
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S02 Sirmione-Milano 156,7 km
Finish in Milano on Sunday - nothing special in history of Giro. Day surely for sprinters.
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S03 Rho-Settimano Torinese 199,2 km
Next day for fastest guys in peleton. They should be happy - two chances on bunch sprint before first harder climb.
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S04 Ivrea-Estoul 148,2 km
Giro won't go back north later so time to use some Alps. Stage is not very hard - just 148 kilometers and last uphill isn't very long or steep. Just to se who looks good and give pink jersey to some real GC contender.
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S05 Biella-Bergamo 204,2 km
Small Il Lombardia - sprints in Como and Lecco, mountain prime at Valcava and last few kilometers exactly like on Lombardia when it finishes in Bergamo last time.
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S06 Treviglio-Modena 182,3 km
Stage like this also should be on grand tour route. Cipollini would approve.
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S07 Scandiano-Rapallo 191,2 km
Tricky stage. Scenarios from bunch sprint to solo win with GC contenders battle are possible.
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S08 Sestri Levante-Passo del Lupo 226,8 km
Key stage of first week. Nervous up-and-down first half, big Passo del Vestito, huge San Pellegrino di Alpe and irregural Passo del Lupe at the end with over 14% at start, 12-13% in the middle and 10% 1500 before finish line.
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S09 Pistoia-Firenze 161,9 km
Cycling festival in Firenze in Sunday. Reminescence of world championships.
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Rest day in Firenze

S10 Pontedera-Pontedera 34,8 ITT
Maybe it could be a little longer but hey time trialist, don't complain. 35 km of flat time trail with few long straight segments in first half on tour. It's for you!
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S11 Poggibonsi-Perugia 167,4 km
We had already some stages for punchers but it's time finish stage on short uphill. 3,15% at last 1650 meters and 6% at last 300 meters.
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S12 Umbertide-Monte Nerone 147,2 km
GC contenders would probably wait for Monte Nerone. But 8% on 13 km with max 20% must impress them and encourage to fight. Even if on next day...
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S13 San Benedetto del Tronto-Blockhaus 233,1 km
Longest stage with finish on Cima Coppi. It shold be goood day.
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S14 Lanciano-Campitello Matese 200,3 km
Third day in Apeninian triptick. This time with finish after short downhill. Mountains aren't very steep but 25 km with 5% should check if some watts are still in legs after Monte Nerone and Blockhaus.
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S15 Campobasso-Foggia 125,5 km
At the end of 2nd week short stage dedicated to sprinters. Just pass this hill in the middle of stage...
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Rest day - transfer from Foggia to Salerno

S16 Salerno-Capitello: 183,1 km
Typical coast stage with some small hilly trips inside land. Warm up after rest day before key days.
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S17 Maratea-Lauria 30,1 km ITT
Third and last ITT. This time with some harder moments but it's not typical MTT, there should no bike changes.
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S18 Scalea-Piano Ruggio 77,4 km
Short and hard mountain stage.
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S19 Cosenza-Monestarece Marina: 227.0 km
Very intense piece of cycling. There are no hardest climbs but on this moment of race everything should be used by GC contenders.
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S20 Marina di Gioiosa Ionica-Gambarie: 211.6 km
Last chance for GC contenders. Meters over sea level doesn't impress but denivel - surely do.
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Villa San Giovanni-Reggio di Calabria 116,4 km
Grand final in the mian city of Calbria. There is short surprise on lap but bunch sprint for mountain-survivors is obvious scenario.
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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by pabloagb » 11/10/2019, 18:46

Here we have my proposal: maps/tours/view/13087
Stage 1: Trieste > Treviso: 149.76 Km (Flat stage)
The Giro starts with a very flat, undemanding stage between Trieste and Treviso. Riders will have to watch out for the wind as a great part of the stage is located near the sea. In any case, a sprinter will probably wear the pink jersey when they arrive in Treviso.
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Stage 2: Treviso > Rovereto: 147.03 Km (Medium mountain stage)
The second day of the race delivers a short, medium mountain stage from Treviso to Rovereto. The first half of the stage is very flat, but the second part includes three climbs. The first one, Passo della Borcolla (1st category), is the most demanding, and will probably witness the first attacking moves. Right after its descent come two 2nd category climbs, Serrada, and after its long descent, Toldi. The last one is steeper, and its summit is just 5 km from the finish down in the streets of Rovereto.
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Stage 3: Sant'Ambrogio di Valpolicella > Monza: 146.36 Km (Flat stage)
Another short, flat stage follows, this time joining the cities of Sant’Ambrogio and Monza. Sprinters hunting ground.
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Stage 4: Varese > Estoul: 194.39 Km (High mountain stage)
The first and only high mountain stage in the Alps takes us from Varese to Estoul, in the Aosta Valley. The three main climbs are concentrated near the end of the stage. The first of them, Colle Tzecore (1st category), is the longest and toughest. Without much flat terrain between them comes Col de Joux (1st category), which is only slightly shorter and less steep than the previous one. Lastly, and immediately after its descent, the last climb, the mountain-top finish at Estoul (2nd category) is the shortest of the day, but its incline is just as punishing as the climbs before.
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Stage 5: Ivrea > Genoa: 189.11 Km (Medium mountain stage)
The following stage follows a similar pattern to the stage before, but with less demanding climbs. The first 140 km are flat and unremarkable, with the last 50 km featuring two 2nd category climbs. The first one, Passo della Bocchetta, is less demanding than the last one, Monte Figogna, whose summit is 29 km from the finish. After its long descent, there is little flat terrain to the finish in Genoa, because there is a short, uncategorized climb between.
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Stage 6: Genoa > Viareggio: 148.81 Km (Flat stage)
The Giro continues with a flat stage between Genoa and Viareggio. There are some climbs in the first half of the stage, but the second part is very flat, and the main danger could be the wind, as the stage runs very close to the sea.
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Stage 7: Lucca (Piazza dell'Anfiteatro) > Pisa (Torre di Pisa): 52.85 Km (Individual time trial)
The first individual time trial joins two of Italy’s most beautiful sights. The first 15 km are very flat, which is great for specialists. Then comes the steep slopes of Monte Serra. This very demanding 1st category climb truncates the stage in two. After its descent, there is another 15 flat km to the finish.
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Stage 8: Sarzana > Abetone: 164.73 Km (High mountain stage)
From Sarzana to Abetone this mountain stage features many climbs. The first ones, 4 2nd category climbs and one 3rd category climb, along with other uncategorized climbs, cover the first 120 km of the stage. After that comes one of the greatest Italian climbs outside of the Alps, San Pellegrino in Alpe (1st category). This climb will surely shape the outcome of the stage. After its descent comes the mountain-top finish at Abetone (2nd category), which can also create differences between the riders.
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Stage 9: Pistoia > Forlì: 214.67 Km (Medium mountain stage)
The next stage from Pistoia to Forlì is a rollercoaster medium mountain stage without much flat terrain. Apart from the first climb, Passo della Colina (1st category), the next thirteen climbs are 2nd and 3rd category climbs. They are usually very short and steep in nature, and there is little flat terrain between them. It will be a very difficult stage to control and all hell could break loose.
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REST DAY
Stage 10: Spoleto > L'Aquila: 233.70 Km (Medium mountain stage)
After the rest day a long and unpredictable medium mountain stage is next, sprinkled with many lesser climbs, most of them uncategorized, but a massive climb in the middle, the Cima Coppi of this Giro, Terminillo. The idea is that after a rest day there are always surprises, so this climb could throw some riders off the top of the standings or elevate unfancied ones onto the top of the standings.
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Stage 11: L'Aquila > Guardiagrele: 215.28 Km (High mountain stage)
The following stage is an improvement over the already fantastic 2014 Tirreno Adriatico Guadiagrele stage, won in great fashion by Alberto Contador. This long stage features four 2nd category climbs, of which three are very long, and the last categorized climb of Maielletta (1st category), which will hopefully see many attacks, like in 2014, and then, after its long descent, the final Muro di Guardiagrele, known for its 20%+ extreme gradients.
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Stage 12: Lanciano > Campobasso: 153.47 Km (Medium mountain stage)
The next stage is a short, hilly stage between Lanciano and Campobasso. There is not much flat terrain, but there are not any major climbs either. The most remarkable climb is Petrella Tifernina, which features gradients of well over 10% for two km, and it is just 30 km from the uphill finish at Castello Monforte in Campobasso.
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Stage 13: Lucera (Anfiteatro Romano) > Foggia (Basilica Cattedrale): 28.33 Km (Individual time trial)
The second and last individual time trial joins the towns of Lucera and Foggia. The profile is mostly flat, which is ideal for specialists, and slightly downhill, so the speeds achieved by the riders ought to be great.
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Stage 14: Foggia > Lago Laceno: 238.67 Km (High mountain stage)
The weekend begins with the longest stage in the Giro at almost 240 km. The first 110 km are hilly, without major climbs. Then the riders will have to tackle three long climbs in succession, Casone del Gaudo (1st category), Varco della Colla (2nd category), and Piano di Verteglia (2nd category), before the classic finish at Lago di Laceno.
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Stage 15: Sala Consilina > San Costantino Albanese: 198.65 Km (High mountain stage)
The last stage before the final rest day is another high mountain stage. For the first 130 km the stage is hilly but without major climbs. Then that changes as riders tackle Colle Ruggio (1st category), a long, yet steep climb that should be the scene of multiple attacks. But the stage is not over once they have climbed it. After its descent, there is Acquatremola (2nd category), a climb with great inclines albeit a lot shorter than the previous one. After a long descent, we arrive at an uphill finish at San Costantino Albanese.
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REST DAY
Stage 16: Scalea > Acri: 159.54 Km (High mountain stage)
The following stage takes riders from Scalea to Acri. After 50 flat km along the sea, we arrive at the first climb of the day, Válico di Laghicello (1st category), a long climb with very regular inclines and little rest bite. Following its descent and a little flat terrain, we arrive at the second climb of the day, Válico di Varco San Mauro (1st category). This time the ascent is steeper, so there are more opportunities for attacks. We descend into a false flat and then two short, steep 2nd category climbs, both with entire km over 10%. The last one’s summit is just 2,5 km from the finish in Acri.
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Stage 17: Cosenza > Crotone: 159.13 Km (Medium mountain stage)
This stage between Cosenza and Crotone is divided in half. The first half of the stage features many climbs and has an upward trajectory, while the second half does not feature many climbs and it is mostly downhill, so it is possible for both sprinters and a breakaway to win the stage.
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Stage 18: Crotone > Serra San Bruno: 159.31 Km (High mountain stage)
The following stage between Crotone and Serra San Bruno features two sides of a 1st category climb near the end. Firstly, Elce della Vecchia (1st category), is a climb that gets progressively steeper the higher you get, and the last km are over 10%. After its descent, the other side has a higher average gradient, but less extreme inclines. Once you climb it, there is not a proper descent. We get 18 km of mostly false flat terrain to the finish line.
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Stage 19: Rosarno > Montalto: 164.53 Km (High mountain stage)
The next stage features the last and toughest mountain top finish in the Giro. But before it, there are another two 1st category climbs that will make the final climb harder. The final ascent to Montalto is already very tough, as the long climb features extreme gradients, especially 3 central km at almost 13%. This final climb could win or lose you the pink jersey!
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Stage 20: Messina > Adrano: 229.90 Km (High mountain stage)
The final and decisive final mountain stage is probably the hardest. The three 1st category climbs on the slopes of the Etna will decide the winner of the Giro.
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Stage 21: Adrano > Catania: 124.30 Km (Flat stage)
The last day for the sprinters as the riders will do 8 laps of a circuit around the city of Cagliari.
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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by Arnorius » 12/10/2019, 16:29

Just in time lol

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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by david.tuci » 14/10/2019, 17:29

After i watched all of those Giros and I tried to do one by myself, I understand why thare have been so few Upside Down Giros..simply not many viable steep climbs under Tuscany and Marche... :cry2:

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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by improb » 14/10/2019, 18:41

david.tuci wrote:
14/10/2019, 17:29
After i watched all of those Giros and I tried to do one by myself, I understand why thare have been so few Upside Down Giros..simply not many viable steep climbs under Tuscany and Marche... :cry2:
There are a fair few actually (not less than Spain)
They are just hard to find on the editor (you have to know Italian geography really well) and often out of the way. I am doing a second and probably a third one too. Molise, Campania and Calabria have many hard climbs. Sicily too (even away from Etna). It is true that climbs over 15 kms long and steep at the same time are harder to find though.

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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by jajoejoe » 14/10/2019, 23:53

improb wrote:
14/10/2019, 18:41
david.tuci wrote:
14/10/2019, 17:29
After i watched all of those Giros and I tried to do one by myself, I understand why thare have been so few Upside Down Giros..simply not many viable steep climbs under Tuscany and Marche... :cry2:
There are a fair few actually (not less than Spain)
They are just hard to find on the editor (you have to know Italian geography really well) and often out of the way. I am doing a second and probably a third one too. Molise, Campania and Calabria have many hard climbs. Sicily too (even away from Etna). It is true that climbs over 15 kms long and steep at the same time are harder to find though.
Strava Route editor is really handy for these kind of regions. It shows you which climbs are paved or not and you can see on the heatmap if it is actually popular which is an indication to the type of road.

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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by david.tuci » 15/10/2019, 9:05

improb wrote:
14/10/2019, 18:41
david.tuci wrote:
14/10/2019, 17:29
After i watched all of those Giros and I tried to do one by myself, I understand why thare have been so few Upside Down Giros..simply not many viable steep climbs under Tuscany and Marche... :cry2:
There are a fair few actually (not less than Spain)
They are just hard to find on the editor (you have to know Italian geography really well) and often out of the way. I am doing a second and probably a third one too. Molise, Campania and Calabria have many hard climbs. Sicily too (even away from Etna). It is true that climbs over 15 kms long and steep at the same time are harder to find though.
Giro needs a bigger organization than Vuelta same way Tour needs a bigger organization than Giro...so some climbs present in Vueltas are not viable for Giro...I'm not sure that Calvanico, Monte Vulture or Etna summit can host a finish of the Giro...

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Re: Contest #6 - Giro Upside Down

Post by emmea90 » 15/10/2019, 9:10

Contest closed, voting open: contests/contest-voting-t7295.html
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