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Contest #3 - Grand Tour of the Grand Tours [Cat. 1]

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Contest #3 - Grand Tour of the Grand Tours [Cat. 1]

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Contest #3 - Grand Tour of the Grand Tours

Due to Covid-19 pandemic spreading in 2020 both Giro d'Italia and Tour de France were cancelled. Vuelta also had to be postponed by 20 days.

ASO, RCS and Unipublic gets to an agreement to organize one single Grand Tour in september with parts of all the three tours.

ASO also gets to end the Grand Tour in Paris, with the classic Champs-Elysees stage. Due to this, you have to end stage 20 in a way to arrange a realistic transfer to Paris in the evening/morning after the stage (ending near an airport, an high velocity train station if in France, etc).

You have to spilt the stages during the 21 days in an equal stages, possibly avoiding big plane transfers (except for the Paris stage)

Route should be designed in respect of the UCI limit of 3500 Km for a Grand Tour.

You have also to take into account that the Grand Tour will be held in september, so you have to avoid climbs over 2500m and you have to limit climbs over 2000m at 3 maximum.

It shall be clear who organize what stage between RCS, ASO and Unipublic organizes what stage and the total shall be 7 for each organizer. It's not forbidden to go in other countries but it shall be clear who is the organizer - for example, a stage that goes into Andorra, can be organized by both ASO and Unipublic but a stage with the majority of that in Italy shall be organized only by RCS.

Please write in stage the description which is the organizer of each stage.

Please use for the Grand Tour the Tour de France 2019 profile.

Evaluation shall take into account
- Grand Tour balancing
- Realism of the transfers and the stage
- Satisfaction of the organizers
- Key stages in the weekend and not having too many "flat/sprint" stages in a row

Deadline will be on april 25, h 23.59
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Re: Contest #3 - Grand Tour of the Grand Tours [Cat. 1]

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Hello!

This is the route I have designed
maps/tours/view/14266

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Re: Contest #3 - Grand Tour of the Grand Tours [Cat. 1]

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Here is my submisson for this contest!

maps/tours/view/14468

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Re: Contest #3 - Grand Tour of the Grand Tours [Cat. 1]

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Hi to everyone !! This is my proposal for this contest: maps/tours/view/14573
I tried to do a varied race, with good mountain stages, but with other terrains where make differences and see interesting stages, like the long timetrial, some of the medium mountain stages, that are even harder than some of the high mountain ones, or even some tricky flat stages with hidden traps or the possibility of seeing echelons. And I also tried to combine this with the visit of some scenic and beautiful places, some of them famous, others to be discovered and amaze the viewers, specially in the first week, starting in the south of Spain and going through places little visited by cycling races, but with a great richness.

Without further delay, let's start with the course:

STAGE 1:CÓRDOBA (PUENTE ROMANO) - CÓRDOBA (PASEO DE LA VICTORIA) [ITT]


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The Grand Tour of the Grand Tours will start in Andalucía, in the monumental city of Córdoba, more concretly under the Puerta del Puente ("The Bridge Door"), for crossing inmediately after the Roman Bridge, where the riders will star one of the most famous views of the city, with the bridge, the Guadalquivir River and the Mosque-Cathedral at the bottom. The timetrial will feature two differenciated parts: the first one, through the newest part of the city, will pass through wide and mostly straight streets. The last 5 km, in contrast, will go deep into the old city, were the riders will have to face narrow and technical streets (all of them should be suitable for the race), with some cobbles and little climbs, until the last kilometer, where, after surrounding the Mosque-Cathedral, the road will become again wide for finishing in Paseo de la Victoria.

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Roman Bridge, the race will start right at the other end of the bridge

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Plaza de las Tendillas

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Mosque-Cathedral

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Alcázar

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STAGE 2: PEÑARROYA-PUEBLONUEVO - OLIVENZA

Second stage will be an apparently easy one, through the typical "dehesas" from Extremadura region. It should suit to the sprinters, but a hard middle part with two mountain passes, and the last climb to the castle of the village of Alconchel (much steeper than the climb profile shows) could turn away from the final bunch to some of the fast guys. The last meters could be a bit technical, as finishind in the center of Olivenza, considered one of the most beautiful villages of Spain (and won't be the only one visited by the race).

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Peñarroya-Pueblonuevo

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Zafra

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Alconchel and Miraflores Castle

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Olivenza

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Image of the street where the finish line will be located (it's wide enough even if in the photo don't seems)

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STAGE 3: MÉRIDA - GUADALUPE

And well, if you thought you were going to get rid of "muritos", you were wrong. But this time, at least, away from the finish line. The stage starts in the ancient roman city of Mérida (and nowadays capital of Extremadura region) and will go to the north, passing through the town of Trujillo (highly recommended visit) and some climbs just before the final and big difficulty, the climb to the Villuercas Peak, with 3 km at 13,5% and concrete road until the summit. Then, asphalt will return for a quite technical descent that will carry riders to Guadalupe (another of the considered most beautiful spanish villages, as were Olivenza and Trujillo) were a last slightly uphill kilometer will decide the stage winner.

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Roman Theatre in Mérida

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Trujillo

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Cañamero

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Road up to Pico Villuercas

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Guadalupe

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STAGE 4: TALAVERA DE LA REINA - VALDEMORILLO

Fourth stage, and again, a hard one. This time, it suits much more to the punchy riders, but just the ones who can handle all the accumulated denivel of all the stage, with 6 categorized climbs just before the final and decisive part, with two "mortal" dirt climbs, both irregular and with some slopes over 16%. If something is not decided yet after these, a final uphill kilometer (7-8% maximum slopes) in the town of Valdemorillo will do it.

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Talavera de la Reina

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El Hoyo de Pinares

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Robledo de Chavela and its NASA tracking station

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Hard part of Alto del Vétago

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Valdemorillo

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STAGE 5: SAN LORENZO DEL ESCORIAL - SIGÜENZA

Fifth stage is considered as a medium mountain one, but I would prefer to call it "flattish". Obviously it isn't flat at all, but the climbs are not intented to be the main characters, as they haven't hard slopes and most of the riders should overcome them in the main group. The true difficulty of the stage should be the wind, especially in the part right after the last climb until the finish, that is exactly the same than the one of Guadalajara stage in last Vuelta a España where all crosswinds happened. After more tha 240 km, the last difficulty will be the final hill to the Sigüenza Castle with 10-11% slopes.

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San Lorenzo del Escorial

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Torrelodones

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Patones

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Valverde de los Arroyos

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Sigüenza

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STAGE 6: CALATAYUD - ZARAGOZA

After some difficult stages, the sixth stage comes to be an easier one, or at least apparently... The stage is almost flat excepting for the first 50 km. But, from then, the race will always go through a very windy zone (some villages from the area can relate xD). The last 100 km will be a loop through the Monegros Desert where the wind will be an added difficulty. The stage will be decided in a sprint in the city of Zaragoza.

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Calatayud

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Cariñena

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Monegros Desert

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Zaragoza

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STAGE 7: ALMUDÉVAR - PRADERA DE ORDESA

Last stage in Spain, and this will be the one to open the mountain of the race. It won't be really hard, but the favourites must be prepared if they don't want to lose any time. But the main attractive, along with the race, will be the beautiful landscapes and villages that we will see through all the stage, starting at the mid part of the stage with the Sierra de Guara (just before getting into the Pyrenees) and, right after that, with the Añisclo Canyon and the gorgeous Ordesa Valley, declared World Heritage and being probably the most visited place in the spanish mountains, and where the stage will finish.

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Almudévar

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Huesca

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Alquézar

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Sierra de Guara

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Aínsa

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Añisclo Canyon

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Torla

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Ordesa Valley

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STAGE 8: JACA - PAU

Eigth stage, where the race will enter in France. It's considered a medium mountain stage, but, if the breakaway don't prevent it, could be a good opportunity for the stronger sprinters. The stage will have a decreasing difficulty, starting with the long climb of Somport (still in Spain, until its top), and keeping with two steep but short climbs in the bottom of La Pierre Saint Martin massif. From Arette, the terrain will be easier, but will still some climbs, being the last one at just 10 km from the finish.

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Jaca

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Arette

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Oloron-Saint-Marie

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Pau

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STAGE 9: PAU - NÉOUVIELLE-LAC D'AUMAR

The first week will end with the first real mountain stage, that will take place in the heart of the Pyrenees (as actually did seventh stage too). The stage will start from Pau, so there won't be any transfer luckily for the riders, and will include two classical climbs from the zone (Aspin and Val Louron-Azet) and a new and shorter one: the Col de Ris, right before the decisive climb. This will be the ascent to Lac d'Aumar, in the stunning Néouvielle Natural Reserve, a completely new climb that aims to make the first differences between the favourites.

Note: I chose Lac d'Aumar climb instead of Cap de Long that is also there because I consider there is more space at the top (I visited both, so I know first-hand) and because for me it's a nicer climb and with a quite better and less dangerous road.

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Pau

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Lourdes

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Bagnères-de-Bigorre

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Arreau

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Saint-Lary-Soulan

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Néouvielle Natural Reserve (Lac d'Aumar at the top)

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REST DAY



STAGE 10: MIREPOIX - BÉZIERS

After the first rest day, the race comes back with a flat stage, and this time it will be definetely a flat one in spite of the three small climbs of the first half, that won't presumably suppose any trouble. What can indeed be a problem is the side wind in the last part of the stage, that will go near the sea and if the conditions are given, we could see some crosswinds.

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Mirepoix

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Limoux

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Narbonne

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Béziers

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STAGE 11: AGDE - FRONTIGNAN [ITT]

And, after some years of absence in a Grand Tour, we will see again a truly long timetrial. Taking place in the surroundings of the Étang de Thau, the course will be completely flat except from the climb to the scenic Mont Saint-Clair in the town of Sète, with maximum slopes of 17%. The way will go almost always at a few meters from the sea, so wind will probably appear to make even bigger the differences between timetrialists and climbers.

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Agde

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Sète

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Mont Saint-Clair

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Frontignan Plage and Frontignan at the back

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STAGE 12: SALON-DE-PROVENCE - SAINT-TROPEZ

Twelfth stage will be one perfect for a breakaway. All the stage will go through the tricky roads across the French Riviera, visiting the Sainte-Baume Natural Park and the Maures Massif, for finishing in one of the most beautiful and known towns in the Blue Coast: Saint-Tropez.

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Salon-de-Provence

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Aix-en-Provence

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Sainte-Baume Natural Park

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Saint-Tropez

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STAGE 13: NICE - SAVONA

The race will enter into Italy (after going through France and Monaco) for the last opportinity for the sprinters in this second week. This time it will be a clear stage for them, even if some ultramythical climbs, such as Poggio, Cipressa or the three "Capi" ar in the course, they might not represent any difficulty for any rider. Only the wind could be their enemy if it appears, something not too usual as we usually see in Milano - Sanremo.
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Nice


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Montecarlo

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Menton

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Ventimiglia

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Sanremo

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Imperia

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Savona

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STAGE 14: GENOA - MONTEROSSO AL MARE

The second week enters in its last section, with two very interesting stages. The first one will this one, a medium mountain stage with about 5800 denivel meters !! (Don't take into account the denivel given by the editor). So even don't being a pure mountain stage, it could be one of the hardest disputed stages of the last years. And probably it will also be one of the most impressive stages of last years in terms of landscapes, as the last 40 km will be entirely ridden inside the Cinque Terre, finishing in Monterosso al Mare: one of its five famous villages, after a technical descent.

Note: I tried to do a realistic finish (with the last km almost flat for a possible sprint) and, as far I could saw with Street View, through rideable and safe streets. Even though, I'm not 100% sure this finish is actually feasible (it should, but maybe for someone who knows the place it's a complete madness). If it wasn't, the stage could finish in Levanto, just changing the last descent, and so with almost the same profile.

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Genoa

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Rapallo

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Varese Ligure

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La Spezia

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Riomaggiore

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Manarola

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Monterosso al Mare

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STAGE 15: LA SPEZIA - ABETONE

And the second week will finish as the first one did: with a mountain stage. This time it won't be so demanding, not to block the previous stages, but will give a good show too, with a colossal climb as San Pellegrino in Alpe and a softer Giro-style finish in Abetone. After this, the riders will have a deserved rest day and a not so deserved transfer to Brescia. But it shouldn't be too traumatic.

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La Spezia

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Marina di Carrara

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Lido di Camaiore

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Camaoire

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Castelnuovo di Garfagnana

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Abetone

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REST DAY



STAGE 16: BRESCIA - MANIVA SKI

And here begins the decisive part of the race, with the first of the real high mountain stages in the outer Lombardy mountains. Even though being in a non classical zone, the course will go through two first categorised climbs and one HC. The stage will start in the city of Brescia and will surround the wondrous Iseo Lake just before facing the first big climb of the day: the Passo della Presolana. After this, the course will return to the Camonica Valley, where the final two climbs will start, first, the Passo Crocedomini, with nothing less than 23 km. at 7,3%, and a few kilometers at 10% and a narrow and sinuous road that would continue in the descent until the final junction that will drive the riders to the top of the Passo Maniva, a well-known climb for the youngsters, but not so much for the rest.

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Brescia

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Iseo Lake

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Sarnico

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Lovere

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Passo della Presolana

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Passo di Crocedomini

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Passo Maniva

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STAGE 17: BERGAMO - VARESE

Seventeenth stage, and this will be one for the breakaways, but also a very hard one and a good opportunity for mess up the race in the middle kilometers, with three long and steep climbs, that will be added to another six lighter climbs. The stage will also be special because it will pass through the course of the 2008 and 2009 World Championships, both in Varese in Mendrisio, and will be this first town the one that will decide the stage, with the last kilometers of the Tre Valli Varesine Classic (that also features part of that 2008 WC course).

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Bergamo

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Lecco

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Chiasso

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Mendrisio

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Brusimpiano

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Varese Lake

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Varese

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STAGE 18: GALLARATE - VENARIA REALE

This will be the last opportunity fir the sprinters before Paris, if the fatigue doesn't affect the teams too much. If so, we could see a surprise like the one achieved by Damiano Cima in the last Giro edition. The stage, with no climbs in its course, will skirt the northern part of the Po Valley or Pianura Padana, for arriving in the metropolitan area of Turin, more concretely in the locality of Venaria Reale, famous for its Royal Palace.

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Gallarate

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Sesto Calende

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Chivasso

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Venaria Reale

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STAGE 19: RIVOLI - OULX

Nineteenth stage, and here is it, undoubtly, the queen stage of the race, with 5700 denivel meters and five big climbs, including the terrible Colle delle Finsetre, at 50 km from the finish line, that, as always, will tear into pieces the race and give surprises and the show that this race deserves (even more than we already had in the past stages). The course will feature three well-known climbs (Colle del Lys, Finestre and Sestriere) and two new ones: Colle della Dieta and Moncenisio (this one was already used in 2009, but in a completely different stage), both of 1st Category, and the one that will give the stage an extra hardness in the legs of the riders.

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Rivoli

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Lanzo Torinese

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Colle del Lys

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Moncenisio

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Susa

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Colle delle Finestre

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Sestriere

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Oulx

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STAGE 20: MODANE - VAUJANY

Twentieth and decisive stage of the race, to finish it in a Tour style, with a short and nervous stage, but full of climbs, combining classical and modern ascents, long and regular ascents with the explosivity of only 140 km. This, added with the magnificent environment of places like Lacets de Montvernier or Lac de Grand-Maison, and the strategic situation of the key points of the race, will be a great cocktail if some of the favourites want to turn around the general classification and surprise their rivals.

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Modane

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Saint-Michel-de-Maurienne

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Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne

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Lacets de Montvernier

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Col du Glandon

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Lac du Grand-Maison

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Vaujany

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STAGE 21: PONTOISE - PARIS. CHAMPS-ÉLYSÉES

Last ride of this incredible race, that will go from the "impressionist" village of Pontoise to the mythical Champs-Élysées, one of the biggest emblems of cycling, and the perfect place to host this final stage of the biggest Grand Tour we will possibly ever see.

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Pontoise

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Argenteuil

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Saint-Denis

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Paris

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Re: Contest #3 - Grand Tour of the Grand Tours [Cat. 1]

Post by taaramae_crack »

I don't know why, but the spoilers in my post do not open, and there's where I included all the climbs profiles and photos of the interesting places that the tour visits :cry: 59@@
Somebody knows how to solve it?

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Re: Contest #3 - Grand Tour of the Grand Tours [Cat. 1]

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taaramae_crack wrote:
26/04/2020, 2:28
I don't know why, but the spoilers in my post do not open, and there's where I included all the climbs profiles and photos of the interesting places that the tour visits :cry: 59@@
Somebody knows how to solve it?
you have to do

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[spoiler]profile[/spoiler]
As I see it you didn't close the spoiler

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Re: Contest #3 - Grand Tour of the Grand Tours [Cat. 1]

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Arnorius wrote:
26/04/2020, 8:42
taaramae_crack wrote:
26/04/2020, 2:28
I don't know why, but the spoilers in my post do not open, and there's where I included all the climbs profiles and photos of the interesting places that the tour visits :cry: 59@@
Somebody knows how to solve it?
you have to do

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[spoiler]profile[/spoiler]
As I see it you didn't close the spoiler
I don't know what do you exactly mean. I think I actually did what you say, at least it seems that the spoilers follows that same pattern you refer:

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Re: Contest #3 - Grand Tour of the Grand Tours [Cat. 1]

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Any idea when voting will open for this? Or when contest 4 will be announced?

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Re: Contest #3 - Grand Tour of the Grand Tours [Cat. 1]

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improb wrote:
25/04/2020, 22:57
Brilliant! I already know what i'm voting for as first place
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Cheers, spent far too much time on it than I should have. Thought your Bergamo stage was great, was originally going to use the Valcava myself but couldn't figure out how to make it work.

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Re: Contest #3 - Grand Tour of the Grand Tours [Cat. 1]

Post by emmea90 »

SmokingPuppy841 wrote:
26/04/2020, 18:04
Any idea when voting will open for this? Or when contest 4 will be announced?
Totally forgot the contest due to other business. Votes will be opened soon.
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