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Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
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Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics
3rd contest of the season, and it's time for the Spring Classics
The contest will be similar, but different, to the 2018 one.
Your tasks are in fact not to reinvent the classic or move them in other area, but to give them an improvement of the actual route according to your interpretation for a better race quality considering the actual classic route.
The classics you shall improve are
In the presentation/description, please write what is, according to you, the actual flaw of the current route of the classic you decided to improve and why should be fixed with your new route. It's not mandatory to change all the classics, meaning that if a real route doesn't have any improvement margin, you can simply add it as it is to your list with this motivation.
Remember also to not change the KMs of the semiclassics (under 200 km).
The maps on the site will surely be useful for this contest
Climb map: maps/tracks/maps/2
Cobbles map: maps/tracks/maps/3
Strade bianche map: maps/tracks/maps/4
Deadline will be May 9, h 23.59
Please put ALL the routes under spoiler tag in this topic to not make it too long AND put all the classic in a single tour, listed in the order above. Thanks
From this contest, people using correctly spoiler tags will get +1 bonus to be added to the presentation to encourage this correct behavior.
3rd contest of the season, and it's time for the Spring Classics
The contest will be similar, but different, to the 2018 one.
Your tasks are in fact not to reinvent the classic or move them in other area, but to give them an improvement of the actual route according to your interpretation for a better race quality considering the actual classic route.
The classics you shall improve are
- Omloop Het Nieuwsblad
- Kuurne-Bruxelles-Kuurne
- Strade Bianche
- Milano-Sanremo
- E3 Harelbeke
- Gent-Wevelgem
- Ronde van Vlaanderen
- Scheldeprijs
- Paris-Roubaix
- De Brabantse Pijl
- Amstel Gold Race
- La Fleche Wallonne
- Liege Bastogne Liege
In the presentation/description, please write what is, according to you, the actual flaw of the current route of the classic you decided to improve and why should be fixed with your new route. It's not mandatory to change all the classics, meaning that if a real route doesn't have any improvement margin, you can simply add it as it is to your list with this motivation.
Remember also to not change the KMs of the semiclassics (under 200 km).
The maps on the site will surely be useful for this contest
Climb map: maps/tracks/maps/2
Cobbles map: maps/tracks/maps/3
Strade bianche map: maps/tracks/maps/4
Deadline will be May 9, h 23.59
Please put ALL the routes under spoiler tag in this topic to not make it too long AND put all the classic in a single tour, listed in the order above. Thanks
From this contest, people using correctly spoiler tags will get +1 bonus to be added to the presentation to encourage this correct behavior.
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
I don't usually post the route images, just the links, do I have to put the images with a spoiler tag?
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
Put the link as the only thing out of the spoiler
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
Ah, well expect me to struggle to make a good route.
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
By designing the Amstel, is it possible to predict the departure and arrival in Holland and the encroachment in Belgium and Germany?
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
Only a few part of the races, core shall be Dutch Ardennes. Even the real Amstel does a turn to germany, but it''s a small one.
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
As far as I know the Amstel never went to Germany, they did have a final loop in Belgium in the 1990's, but nowadays they only cross the border with Belgium to go over the Vaalserberg/Drielandenpunt and then immediately turn back into the Netherlands
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
Yes back in the day when they finished in Maastricht the finale was west of Maastricht in Belgium, on edition due to a illness dangerous to animals they skipped that part and it never returned. Also good because the climbs there aren't nice...JoostvandeBeek wrote: ↑17/04/2021, 13:37As far as I know the Amstel never went to Germany, they did have a final loop in Belgium in the 1990's, but nowadays they only cross the border with Belgium to go over the Vaalserberg/Drielandenpunt and then immediately turn back into the Netherlands
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
Can we accept small changes of starting town ? For example Soissons for Paris-Roubaix and PAvia for Milano - San Remo. Long races are hard to change without adding several irrealist kilometers (for example, to add cappi at the end of Milano - Sa, Remo, you must change the starting city or draw a race above 315km wich is totally irrealistic, especially in our times where cycling try to "humanize" itself by cutting down extra-long races).emmea90 wrote: ↑14/04/2021, 10:23 For each of these ones, you cannot change their race identity but you have to do a new route that suits it better according to you. Not be able to change the race identity means also that the start/finish town shall be preserved. Milan-Sanremo shall go from Milano to Sanremo, Roubaix shall end in Velodrome and can't go to Belgium, while races like Omloop and Ronde, instead, can move to historical start/finishes that they previous used (Gand, Merbeke or the historical start in Brugge for Ronde). Also, climbs/key points that are part of the race identity (example: Arenberg in Roubaix) shall be preserved. It's up to you to find out what they are.
Are you agree to change that rule if the contestant explicitely explain the change in his vision of the race ?
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
A Milano-Sanremo started from Certosa di Pavia, that can so be used - but Milan will of course be better.benoît.guillot wrote: ↑19/04/2021, 16:46Can we accept small changes of starting town ? For example Soissons for Paris-Roubaix and PAvia for Milano - San Remo. Long races are hard to change without adding several irrealist kilometers (for example, to add cappi at the end of Milano - Sa, Remo, you must change the starting city or draw a race above 315km wich is totally irrealistic, especially in our times where cycling try to "humanize" itself by cutting down extra-long races).emmea90 wrote: ↑14/04/2021, 10:23 For each of these ones, you cannot change their race identity but you have to do a new route that suits it better according to you. Not be able to change the race identity means also that the start/finish town shall be preserved. Milan-Sanremo shall go from Milano to Sanremo, Roubaix shall end in Velodrome and can't go to Belgium, while races like Omloop and Ronde, instead, can move to historical start/finishes that they previous used (Gand, Merbeke or the historical start in Brugge for Ronde). Also, climbs/key points that are part of the race identity (example: Arenberg in Roubaix) shall be preserved. It's up to you to find out what they are.
Are you agree to change that rule if the contestant explicitely explain the change in his vision of the race ?
For Roubaix, Compiegne is part of the race identity.
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
Ok, I'm out of this contest. This is nearly impossible to be realistic and propose real changes for most of the Springsteen classic if we can change the starting city...emmea90 wrote: ↑19/04/2021, 19:08A Milano-Sanremo started from Certosa di Pavia, that can so be used - but Milan will of course be better.benoît.guillot wrote: ↑19/04/2021, 16:46Can we accept small changes of starting town ? For example Soissons for Paris-Roubaix and PAvia for Milano - San Remo. Long races are hard to change without adding several irrealist kilometers (for example, to add cappi at the end of Milano - Sa, Remo, you must change the starting city or draw a race above 315km wich is totally irrealistic, especially in our times where cycling try to "humanize" itself by cutting down extra-long races).emmea90 wrote: ↑14/04/2021, 10:23 For each of these ones, you cannot change their race identity but you have to do a new route that suits it better according to you. Not be able to change the race identity means also that the start/finish town shall be preserved. Milan-Sanremo shall go from Milano to Sanremo, Roubaix shall end in Velodrome and can't go to Belgium, while races like Omloop and Ronde, instead, can move to historical start/finishes that they previous used (Gand, Merbeke or the historical start in Brugge for Ronde). Also, climbs/key points that are part of the race identity (example: Arenberg in Roubaix) shall be preserved. It's up to you to find out what they are.
Are you agree to change that rule if the contestant explicitely explain the change in his vision of the race ?
For Roubaix, Compiegne is part of the race identity.
BTW Compiègne is the starting city only sincèrement 1970's. Before that, 4 cities hosted the start. I don't think any starting cities is written in the race identity, for any classic...
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
Benoît, being able to modify the route of the Roubaix without giving up Compiègne is possible, indeed I have also managed to make the route harder and propose a mileage almost similar to that of 2019benoît.guillot wrote: ↑20/04/2021, 10:23Ok, I'm out of this contest. This is nearly impossible to be realistic and propose real changes for most of the Springsteen classic if we can change the starting city...emmea90 wrote: ↑19/04/2021, 19:08A Milano-Sanremo started from Certosa di Pavia, that can so be used - but Milan will of course be better.benoît.guillot wrote: ↑19/04/2021, 16:46
Can we accept small changes of starting town ? For example Soissons for Paris-Roubaix and PAvia for Milano - San Remo. Long races are hard to change without adding several irrealist kilometers (for example, to add cappi at the end of Milano - Sa, Remo, you must change the starting city or draw a race above 315km wich is totally irrealistic, especially in our times where cycling try to "humanize" itself by cutting down extra-long races).
Are you agree to change that rule if the contestant explicitely explain the change in his vision of the race ?
For Roubaix, Compiegne is part of the race identity.
BTW Compiègne is the starting city only sincèrement 1970's. Before that, 4 cities hosted the start. I don't think any starting cities is written in the race identity, for any classic...
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
I know but I'm a bit disappointed. My Soissons-Roubaix was quite good...mauro wrote: ↑20/04/2021, 11:26Benoît, being able to modify the route of the Roubaix without giving up Compiègne is possible, indeed I have also managed to make the route harder and propose a mileage almost similar to that of 2019benoît.guillot wrote: ↑20/04/2021, 10:23Ok, I'm out of this contest. This is nearly impossible to be realistic and propose real changes for most of the Springsteen classic if we can change the starting city...
BTW Compiègne is the starting city only sincèrement 1970's. Before that, 4 cities hosted the start. I don't think any starting cities is written in the race identity, for any classic...
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
Ecco le mie corse. Nota: personalmente non ho notato falle negli attuali percorsi (Sanremo a parte), ma ho voluto comunque provare ad introdurre novità in tutte le gare per cambiare un po’ il solito “sapore” e proporre ai corridori qualcosa di nuovo (se ci si assuefa troppo ad un percorso va a finire che, a lungo andare, le solite salite diventi sempre meno selettive, come capitato con la Sanremo)
Here are my runs. Note: i personally did not notice any flaws in the current routes (apart from Sanremo), but I still wanted to try to introduce new things in all the races to change the usual "flavor" a little and offer the riders something new (if you get used to it too much of a path ends up that, in the long run, the usual climbs become less and less selective, as happened with the Sanremo)
maps/tours/view/18494
Here are my runs. Note: i personally did not notice any flaws in the current routes (apart from Sanremo), but I still wanted to try to introduce new things in all the races to change the usual "flavor" a little and offer the riders something new (if you get used to it too much of a path ends up that, in the long run, the usual climbs become less and less selective, as happened with the Sanremo)
maps/tours/view/18494
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
Your Brabantse Pijl finishes in Leuven, and as far as I know and what I can find on the internet, it has never finished there so the route does not comply with the contest rules. I also wanted to point out that your Côte de Saint-Nicolas is not the famous one from LBL, you should take the twisty Rue Bordelais just to the east of your climbmauro wrote: ↑20/04/2021, 17:49 Ecco le mie corse. Nota: personalmente non ho notato falle negli attuali percorsi (Sanremo a parte), ma ho voluto comunque provare ad introdurre novità in tutte le gare per cambiare un po’ il solito “sapore” e proporre ai corridori qualcosa di nuovo (se ci si assuefa troppo ad un percorso va a finire che, a lungo andare, le solite salite diventi sempre meno selettive, come capitato con la Sanremo)
Here are my runs. Note: i personally did not notice any flaws in the current routes (apart from Sanremo), but I still wanted to try to introduce new things in all the races to change the usual "flavor" a little and offer the riders something new (if you get used to it too much of a path ends up that, in the long run, the usual climbs become less and less selective, as happened with the Sanremo)
maps/tours/view/18494
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
I chose Leuven because it is the capital of Brabant and to take advantage of the wave of the world championship.JoostvandeBeek wrote: ↑20/04/2021, 23:14Your Brabantse Pijl finishes in Leuven, and as far as I know and what I can find on the internet, it has never finished there so the route does not comply with the contest rules. I also wanted to point out that your Côte de Saint-Nicolas is not the famous one from LBL, you should take the twisty Rue Bordelais just to the east of your climbmauro wrote: ↑20/04/2021, 17:49 Ecco le mie corse. Nota: personalmente non ho notato falle negli attuali percorsi (Sanremo a parte), ma ho voluto comunque provare ad introdurre novità in tutte le gare per cambiare un po’ il solito “sapore” e proporre ai corridori qualcosa di nuovo (se ci si assuefa troppo ad un percorso va a finire che, a lungo andare, le solite salite diventi sempre meno selettive, come capitato con la Sanremo)
Here are my runs. Note: i personally did not notice any flaws in the current routes (apart from Sanremo), but I still wanted to try to introduce new things in all the races to change the usual "flavor" a little and offer the riders something new (if you get used to it too much of a path ends up that, in the long run, the usual climbs become less and less selective, as happened with the Sanremo)
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For Saint-Nicolas i chose what seemed to me the most direct route.
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What start and finish cities are allowed for Ronde Van Vlaanderen?
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Explanations in the spoiler!
30/04 edit: used an unusable road in the AGR, edited route.
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30/04 edit: used an unusable road in the AGR, edited route.
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Re: Contest #3 - Improved spring Classics [Cat. 2]
Sorry to say, but I am going to have to sit this one out.
Is there any sanction for doing so? I have too much in life atm
Is there any sanction for doing so? I have too much in life atm
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