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Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by emmea90 » 09/08/2019, 19:41

Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved
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Tour de Pologne is a nice race. One week kermesse up and down (more down) in Poland along circuit finishes. Except for the fact that is almost boring to watch and you always have first 10 in few second and it's like watching Tour Down Under in August.

Fortunately, Poland has different climbs that can be used to improve the route - some of them are in use in the other Polish races, like Tour of Malopolska, that you can find in our race calendar on the forum

What we ask you is to draw a different Tour of Poland, transforming it in a race more like a Paris-Nice. In particular there are the

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- There must be an ITT
- No more than 2 sprinters stage
- Penultimate stage should feature a Mountain Top Finish
- Last stage should be a short stage with up/downs like Col d'Eze stage in Nice
- You can't go out of Poland for the race.
- Circuits are not allowed. You are allowed to pass only once on the finish line

Deadline will be sunday, september 1st, h 23.59

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by emmea90 » 09/08/2019, 22:58

Forgot one thing: no circuits are allowed
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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by emmea90 » 10/08/2019, 14:39

To be more clear, I'll show you my idea for this contest: maps/tours/view/12577 (I'll not consider stage 1 is not a sprinter stage due to the uphill finish)
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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by mauro » 11/08/2019, 11:11

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Ecco il mio percorso, particolarmente indicato per l’anno 2020, quando si celebrerà il primo centenario della nascita di Papa Giovanni Paolo II. Le prime due frazioni sono, infatte, dedicate all’indimenticato pontefice, poi ci sarà anche una tappa intitolata a Bjorg Lambrecht

Here is my track, particularly indicated for the year 2020, when the first centenary of the birth of Pope John Paul II will be celebrated. The first two stage are, in fact, dedicated to the unforgettable pontiff, then there will also be a stage named after Bjorg Lambrecht

1 stage: Kalwaria Zebrzydowska - Kalwaria Zebrzydowska (Sanktuarium) (ITT – 5.2 Km)

Ho scelto di far partire la corsa da Kalwaria Zebrzydowska, santuario molto caro a Papa Giovanni Paolo II, situato a breve distanza dalla cittadina dove è nato e iscritto dal 1999 nella lista dei patrimoni mondiali dell’umanità dell’UNESCO. Il percorso ricorda quello della tappa d’apertura del Giro del 2018 a Bologna, sebbene la salita conclusiva non sia ripida come quella di San Luca

I chose to start the race from Kalwaria Zebrzydowska, a sanctuary very dear to Pope John Paul II, located a short distance from the town where he was born and registered since 1999 on the list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites. The route is reminiscent of the opening stage of the Giro of 2018 in Bologna, although the final climb is not as steep as that of San Luca

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2 stage: Wadowice - Czestochowa (Jasna Góra) (169.3 Km)

Seconda ed ultima tappa dedicata a Papa Wojtyla. Si parte dal paese dove è nato per arrivare al celebre santuario di Czestochowa, situato sulla collina di Jasna Góra. Nel finale è prevista una prima ascesa alla collina su quale è costruito il santuario, poi ci si fa ritorno – ma non è previsto nessun circuito – al termine di un tratto finale in leggero falsopiano. Tappa per velocisti e finisseur.

Second and last stage dedicated to Pope Wojtyla. It starts from the town where he was born to get to the famous Czestochowa sanctuary, located on the hill of Jasna Góra. In the final there is a first ascent to the hill on which the sanctuary is built, then there is a return - but no circuit is foreseen - at the end of a final stretch in slight slight slope. Stage for sprinters and finisseurs.

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3 stage: Radomsko – Rybnik (216.4 Km)

La tappa più lunga è anche quella più facile, ultima delle due occasioni riservate ai velocisti

The longest stage is also the easiest, the last of the two occasions reserved for sprinters

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4 stage: Jastrzebie-Zdroj - Gora Zar (171.4 Km)

È la prima delle frazioni decisive della corsa polacca, la più difficile sotto l’aspetto altimetrico. Nel finale sono previsti i “muri” di Kocierz – che si doveva affrontare quest’anno nella tappa che è stata neutralizzata – e del Passo Targanicka a far da “aperitivi” alla salita finale verso il lago artificiale di Gora Zar

It is the first of the decisive stages of the Polish race, the most difficult under the altimetric aspect. In the final, the “walls" of Kocierz - which was to be faced this year in the stage that was neutralized - are planned and of the Targanicka Pass to act as “aperitifs” for the final ascent towards the artificial lake of Gora Zar

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5 stage: Czerwionka-Leszczyny - Zory (Bjorg Lambrecht Stage - TTT – 16.6 Km)

È la tappa che ho voluto dedicare a Bjorg Lambrecht e che transita dal punto dove il corridore belga ha avuto l’incidente che gli è stato fatale, indicato sull’altimetria con “Bjorg Lambrecht Memorial”. Nelle intenzioni originali doveva essere una prova individuale, poi ho pensato che sarebbe stata più adatta una prova a squadre, che potrebbe magari terminare con la vittoria della Lotto Soudal

It is the stage that I wanted to dedicate to Bjorg Lambrecht and which passes from the point where the Belgian rider had the fatal accident, indicated on the altimetry with "Bjorg Lambrecht Memorial". In the original intentions it had to be an individual test, then I thought that a team test would have been more suitable, which could end with the victory of the Lotto Soudal

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6 stage: Katowice - Ustron (Równica) (190.9 Km)

Le ultime due tappe non sono durissime ma, considerata la brevità della corsa e le difficoltà finora affrontate, potrebbero rivelarsi decisive. Oggi, come da richiesta, ho inserito un Mountain Top Finish al penultimo giorno di gara: si arriva sulla Równica, la montagna che sovrasta la stazione di sport invernali di Ustron

The last two stages are not very hard but, given the shortness of the race and the difficulties faced so far, they could prove decisive. Today, as requested, I inserted a Mountain Top Finish on the penultimate day of the race: we arrive on Równica, the mountain overlooking the winter sports resort of Ustron

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7 stage: Bukowina Tatrzanska – Zakopane (121.6 Km)

L’ultima tappa è nata dalla fusione delle due tappe conclusive delle edizioni più recenti del Tour de Pologne, quelle di Bukowina Tatrzanska e Zakopane. Bukowina ospita la partenza e il primo sprint, Zakopane il secondo sprint e il traguardo finale (ma, anche in questo caso, non c’è un vero circuito non essendo previsto un primo passaggio sulla linea d’arrivo). La salita più difficile è la prima, all’interno del quale è previsto un breve ma ripidissimo muro.

The last stage was born from the fusion of the two final stages of the most recent editions of the Tour de Pologne, those of Bukowina Tatrzanska and Zakopane. Bukowina hosts the start and the first sprint, Zakopane the second sprint and the final goal (but, even in this case, there is no real circuit as there is no first pass on the finish line). The most difficult climb is the first, within which there is a short but very steep wall.

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by jajoejoe » 12/08/2019, 14:15

Here is my submission for this contest. I enjoyed making this tour of Poland as it is something different than normal and I don't know Poland as well as France for example.
maps/tours/view/12593

Stage 1: Tczew - Bydgoszcz 151.28Km
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My first stage of the Tour of Poland starts up north close to Gdansk in the ville of Tczew, the rest of this stage is flat apart from one small climb and follows the Wisla river all the way to Bydgoszcz. This also is arguably the easiest stage of my Tour of Poland.

Stage 2: Wagrowiec - Krosno Odrzanskie 219.01Km
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Stage 2 is Marked as a flat stage but it won't be a mass sprint, the combination of the long distance, the 1500m long cobblesector with cobbled climb and the uphill finish could make this a chaotic stage and one the GC riders can't underestimate.

Stage 3: Zielona Gora - Luban 170.05Km
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Another sprinters stage and the last chance for the participating sprinters, after this stage expect a lot of sprinters and their lead-out to abandon the race and focus on other goals and races.

Stage 4: Piechowice - Bystrzyca Klodzka 175.59Km
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The first hills show up in front of the riders today, not the hardest day, but aas Always the GC riders need to watch out and don't get surprised. The first few hills won't decide anything they are just there so to make the stage a little harder than just the final climbs. The final of this stage starts on the fairly long Karlow climb which doesn't look hard just looking at the average gradiënt, but this climb isn't constant. After that follows the long drag uphill, this part could be crucial to the stage's finish, if 1 or 2 teams decide to go full gas up here it will just be a small group arriving at the foot of the last climb, if this isn't the case there will be a big peloton on the foot of the last climb and the strong sprinters still have a chance. After the last climb the riders face a long descent but it isnt technical. The finish is slightly uphill so timing is crucial here.

Stage 5: Klodzko - Zloty Stok 26.58Km
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Today is the ITT day in my Tour of Poland. The stage starts in Klodzko, one of the oldest towns of Silesia know for its almost 1000 year old fortification. This ITT starts with a drag uphill before the riders descent down to the also 1000 year old town of Bardo. The finish is in Zloty Stok which means Golden Hillside, called so because of the fact there was a gold deposit found here in the middle ages.

Stage 6: Nysa - Szczyrk 198.86Km
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The penultimate stage goes uphill again. The first 180Km of this stage are flat, after this the riders face the almost 7Km long Przelecz Salmopolska pass, this climb could enable long range attacks because there is only a descent and a steep climb after this pass. The riders will descent to the town Szczyrk where they'll face the short "wall" to the convention center located above the town.

Stage 7: Nowy Targ - Morskie Oko 111.99Km
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The last stage of my Tour of Poland features almost no flat parts after the foot of the first climb most of this stage will go either up or down. After climbs known because of the last 2 stage of the "normal" Tour of Poland the riders will face the uphill finish to one of the most beautiful lakes of Europe as experts say. The last climb is normally closed for motorized access, but I did the maths to ensure that this climb can be included to a cycling race. The last 8.55Km of the road are closed for motorized vehicles. This is 8550M or 855000. The average human has a width of 45 Cm considering there will be 1 row of supporters on both sides of the roads you'll have to do 855000 times 2. To calculate the total supporters do 1710000:45=38000 people. During the vacation season the total visitors to this lake are 50.000. Considering the popularity of the Tour of Poland and the fact that this climb won't be full of supporters the total of supporters on the climb may be the same as on a crowdy day somewhere in the vacation in July. The only thing that may has to be done is that Motards follow the riders instead of cars, just like the Zoncolan during the 2018 Giro.

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Post by jibvalverde » 13/08/2019, 17:03

"No circuits". We're not allowed to passs twice on the arrival but can we make twice a climb/road in the same stage ?

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by emmea90 » 14/08/2019, 10:01

jibvalverde wrote:
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"No circuits". We're not allowed to passs twice on the arrival but can we make twice a climb/road in the same stage ?
You are not allowed to pass twice the arrival.

Would've even better if possibile not repeating climb in stafe
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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by michal1238 » 19/08/2019, 16:37

It is my version of Tour de Pologne: maps/tours/view/12666
I stage from Poznan to Legnica is a typical day for sprinters. There are not many great views or monuments between start and finish, so probably it wouln't be impressive day.
II stage is a ITT. Short route is very hard and it can cause some time differences between cyclists.
III stage is a second and last chance for sprinters who are not good enough in mountains. Katowice is a city well-known city for everybody interested in TdP.
IV stage visits some tourists destination like Sucha Beskidzka, Zywiec or Wisla. Before last kilometres in Bielsko-Biala there are 4 demanding climbs, what guarantees a great fight.
V stage is also full of climbs and famous cities and places. After start in Wadowice, cyclists will visit Kalwaria and after that there will be a lot of climbs in Beskidy Mountains. Last 20 kms don't include any climbs, but after mountains in the front it shouldn't be a lot of poeple.
VI stage has only one climb, but the finish is the hardest 10 km of race.
VII stage is a last day of racing, there are a lot of hills known from TdP and also there is a mountain finish.
Stages:
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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by chuimiento » 19/08/2019, 17:07

This is my proposal for the Tour of Pologne improved.

maps/tours/view/12581

Brief description of the route.
As the Tour the Pologne usually features only the southern half of the country, I'd like to give some more protagonism to the other half of it. Obviously, the route goes southwards for the last stages as it's the only mountainous area of the territory. I wanted to insert a stage with some kind of difficulty in the first part of the route, and I barely only found the Gdánsk area with some very short ascents, which would make an interesting stage. After it, a very long transfer is held to take the riders to Warsaw, but it is not so invasive as the third stage is the TT, which gives more time to the teams and the riders. The final climb of stage 6 barely allows to build the installations for the ending of the stage at the top, but a convention centre is placed at the half of the ascent so the podiums and so on could be assembled there, with only the finish line and the minimum logistics necessary at the top. The 25-km long time trial also forces climbers to attack early in the final three stages, as the terrain allows it (specially in the last two of them) in order to recover the possible gap out of Warsaw's ITT.

Stages:
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Stage 1 - Poznan - Bydgoszcz
Poznan > Bydgoszcz: 126.40 Km Plain

The first stage of this Tour of Poland is a fully flat route northwards starting from the city of Poznan to the northern city of Bydgoszcz. The route doesn't feature any remarkable difficulty, so it's supposed to finish in a mass sprint to hold the first leader jersey.

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Stage 2 - Czersk - Gdánsk
Czersk > Gdánsk: 211.92 Km Medium Mountain

The second stage keeps the north direction, finishing the stage in the city of Gdánsk. One of the longest stages so far, more than 210 kilometres of a stage with a hilly second part, featuring six small hills in the last 100 kilometres. All of them are really small, some of them being fairly smooth and the others too short for big movements. However, the last 10 kilometres feature two steep streets (the last of them, above 7% average and only 3 kilometres before the finish line) that could favour some movements from the bunch to surprise the sprint. This stage is expected to finish in a restricted sprint or with a solo attacker managing to take the win. Fatigue will help to provoke an unexpected ending with attacks and a late break.

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Stage 3 - Warszawa - Warszawa
Warszawa > Warszawa: 24.63 Km Individual Time Trial

The third stage is a medium-distance, completely plain time trial through the streets of Poland's capital city, Warszawa. Important journey for the aspirations of the GC as significant gaps can be taken from strong time trialists, which will try to start the climbs with all the possible advantage.

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Stage 4 - Lodz - Katowice
Lodz > Katowice: 212.19 Km Plain

The fourth stage features a long, plain journey between the cities of Lodz, in central Poland, and Katowice. Its length, above 200 km, will be the main difficult in a route expected to finish, for the second and last time in the tour, in a mass sprint.

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Stage 5 - Krakow - Góra Zar
Krakow > Góra Zar: 168.97 Km Medium Mountain

Finally, the route takes the race southwards and starts the three mountainous stages, which will define the GC. The first of them starts from the main city of Krakow, second largest of the country, and goes southwesternwards, featuring the mountains near Bielsko-Biala.

The first part of the route is fairly plain, with small, smooth hills, and the interesting portion of it starts when the riders have accomplished at least 110 km frmo the beginning. Four climbs of increasing difficulty will follow, woth the two 2nd-category Kocierz and Wielka Puszcza, placed around 30 km to the finish line, being a good moment for long-range tactics and attacks, woth some good slopes above 10%. The final climb, Gora Zar, is longer but clearly not as hard, featuring maximum slopes of 8-9% and with more than 5% average. The finish is pretty amazing, just in front of a high altitude lake which will be spectator of a surely interesting finish.

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Stage 6 - Bielsko-Biala - Podmagura
Bielsko-Biala > Podmagura: 167.47 Km Medium Mountain

Probably the queen stage of this Tour. The riders will race from the city of Bielsko-Biala to the climb of Podmagura, crossing 167 kilometres with 8 categorised climbs, with increasing difficuly and a frightening final wall with 10,3% average.

The first part of the stage is not as hard as the final kilometres, with a 2nd categroy climb in the first instants, which could make a strong breakaway, and some short 3rd category walls. The final 50 kilometres feature five increasingly difficult climbs, with the wall of Wisla Bukowa (2nd category) being the first great place to make a move (1,30 km at 10,15% average). After it, two long and smooth climbs will allow the race to be broken. The final climb is really steep (2,5 kilometres at 10,3% average) and features maximum slopes around 15%.

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Stage 7 - Zakopane - Zakopane
Zakopane > Zakopane: 143.26 Km Medium Mountain

Finally, the last stage offers a beautiful ending for this Tour of Pologne. A route full of short ups and downs would be perfect for a broken race, difficult to control and with an important GC fight. Up to 10 different climbs will be held within two parts: at start, the first 60 kilometres with five climbs and a wavy terrain adequate for the formation of a breakaway. Finally, the last 50 kilometres, with five increasingly difficult climbs, including the steep Pitoniovka (2 km at 9%) placed at 40 kilometres to the finish, and the two final 1st category climbs, almost linked, followed by a fast and surely thrilling descent towards the city of Zakopane.

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by sportdani19 » 20/08/2019, 20:11

Hey,i'm New Here,please can you check my Tour.Critics are Welcome.
Ciao,sono nuovo qui, Per favore date uno sguardo al mio tour.Le critiche sono benvenute.

https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/tours/view/12677

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by Carlo33 » 23/08/2019, 12:46

My Tour de Pologne improved: maps/tours/view/12588



Stage 1: Warsaw > Lodz: 151.32 Km
My Tour of Poland starts from the capital of Poland, Warsaw, and more precisely from its historical center which was inserted just 40 years before the Tour of Poland, in 1980, among the UNESCO World Heritage Sites. The stage ends in Lodz, the third most populous city in Poland. The first stage is the shortest stage of my Tour of Poland, it's almost totally flat, with no Mountain Grand Prix, and it's one of the two occasions for sprinters.

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Stage 2: Lask > Wroclaw: 192.07 Km
From Lask to Wroclaw, the fourth most populous city in Poland, the fourth stage is longer than the previous one and also has some more difficulties but the sprinters remain the favorites. The 2nd stage is also the longest of my entire Tour of Poland.

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Stage 3: Ziebice > Biala Woda: 181.16 Km
The third stage of my improved Tour de Pologne is from Ziebice to Biala Woda and is the first of the two stages of the Tour which has the uphill finish. In the stage there are five KOM: one of the fourth category, one of the third, two of the second category and the last one that is first category. The last climb, Biala Woda, is 5.4 km long and has an average gradient of 6.3%.

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Stage 4: Ziebice > Rybnik: 189.00 Km
The fourth stage of my Tour de Pologne is from Ziebice to Rybnik and this is a stage for puncheurs, sprinters who can stay in the group after an hilly stage, and a the breakaway riders. In the stage there are three 4th category and one 3rd category climbs and there is also a little climb that is long 1 km that finishes on the Flamme Rouge.

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Stage 5: Rybnik > Rybnik: 21.59 Km
The Stage 5 is the only ITT of my Improved Tour de Pologne and it's all in Rybnik. It's 21.5 km long and there are some little climbs. This stage is not only for pure specialists but also for puncheurs riders who are not bad in ITT.

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Stage 6: Belk > Skrzyczne: 171.27 Km - Bjorg Lambrecht Memorial Stage
This stage is in memory of Bjorg Lambrecht as the starting line is positioned right where his terrible fall took place during the third stage of the 2019 Tour of Poland. In his honor I designed this stage that probably should be the decisive stage of this Tour de Pologne, with a 2nd category climb, a 1st category climb and a Hors Categorie climb entitled to Bjorg Lambrecht. It would be nice if from 2020 the toughest climb of all the Tours de Pologne was dedicated to him.

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Stage 7: Bielsko-biala > Krakow: 187.65 Km
The last stage of My Improved Tour de Pologne is from Bielsko-biala to Krakow, the second largest city in Poland. This is stage is almost never flat and there a lot of little climbs and downhills that can make the stage really difficult.

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by kanon16 » 26/08/2019, 10:33

My Tour de Pologne improved:
maps/tours/view/12732

Stage 1: Warzawa > Wloclawek 182.64 Km
From the center of Warsaw, capital of Poland and once described as the “Paris of the North”, before the World War II, to the pretty Wloclawek alond the Wisla River.
Flat stage for sprinters.

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Stage 2: Poznan > Zlotoryja: 215.68 Km
The second stage starts from Poznan, the fifth largest city in Poland, important cultural and business center, and reaches the enchanting Zlotoryja, which is the oldest town in Poland.
The stage is very long and a little nervous in the last Kilometers, but is the second and last chance for sprinters.

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Stage 3: Zlotoryjia > Jelenia Gora: 151.89 Km
First hilly stage of the Tour with some climbs. The last (Karpacz Gorny) is the most challenging and it's 22 Km from the finish line. Jelenia Gora is a pretty town close to the Krkonose mountain range running along the Polish_Czech border. Ski resort as Karpacz and Szlarska Poreba (both on the route) are situated few kilometres from the town.

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Stage 4: Katy Wroclawskie > Wroclaw (Breslau): 24.28 Km
ITT. At the exact half of the Tour de Pologne there is an individual time trial stage. The route is flat and ideal for specialists.
Wroclaw is the historical capital of Silesia and the fourth-largest city in Poland; the final line is just in its beautiful Market Square.

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Stage 5: Gliwice > Gora Zar: 215.36 Km
After the time trial, there are the two stages maybe decisive for the general ranking.
The first starts from Gliwice and after Katowice going south faces in sequence three climbs before the top finish of Gora Zar with the last 70 Kilometers really demanding.

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Stage 6: Makow Podhalanski > Morskie Oko: 174.55 Km
High-mountain stage with 3500 m of ascent and very little plain. The route arrives in the mountain region of Zakopane, in the High Tatras.
The peaks that surround the beautiful lake of Morskie Oko (Eye of the Sea in English) rise about 1000 meters above its surface; one of them is Rysy (2,499 meters), the highest peak in the Polish Tatras.
Morskie Oko can be reached by a pavel road closed to the cars, but should not be a problem to insert it in a cycling race.

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Stage 7: Szczawnica > Krakow: 134.88 Km
After two mountain stages, in the last day the race reaches Krakow through an hilly itinerary, where some surprise for the GC could still happen.
First 100 Kilometers really nervous with 5 short but steep climbs, then 20 kilometers of plain before the last climb of Ostra Gora, the hill with the Zoo overlooking Krakow.
Krakow is the old capital and main cultural, artistic and university center of Poland and in my opinion it's perfect for closing the Tour started from the current capital of Warsaw.

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Post by jibvalverde » 26/08/2019, 18:17

Here is my Tour de Pologne : maps/tours/view/12702

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by improb » 30/08/2019, 2:47

Are circuits away from the finish allowed?

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Post by emmea90 » 30/08/2019, 20:17

improb wrote:
30/08/2019, 2:47
Are circuits away from the finish allowed?
No
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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by Xander66 » 31/08/2019, 11:30

My version of the Tour de Pologne:
maps/tours/view/12656

Poland is such a big beautiful country, so it’s a shame the Tour de Pologne always visits the same places. For this reason I tried to move the key part of the race to the Sudetes mountains, while still trying to respect the parcours of the actual race in real life. Stage-by-stage can be found in the spoiler.
Spoiler!
Stage 1: Warsaw – Plock

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The race starts in the capital of the country, just think it could be better like this to have some festivities in the city there before the actual start. It’s a flat stage to begin with, so nothing special about it.


Stage 2: Skierniewice - Swiety Krzyz Monastery

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The stage itself is quite flat, but the finish is on a small hill, not too steep. The group won’t split too much, but it will most likely be a sprint between punchers. Maybe a new GC-leader as well.


Stage 3: Kielce – Krakow

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The second sprinter stage, and I don’t see much happening here either.


Stage 4: Krakow – Krakow

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Flat ITT in and around the city of Krakow. Tour de Pologne regularly visits this city, so I wanted to at least pay some respect to the original parcours by making the time trial here. GC will definitely look different at the finish line.


Stage 5: Wadowice – Wisla

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Personally I consider this the queen stage. 2 climbs that are on the long side for Tour de Pologne in the final 30km could cause a lot of gaps between the favorites. Strongest riders will have to show themselves here.


Stage 6: Kedzierzyn-Kozle – Sienna

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Mountain finish, but the rest of stage isn’t too hard. After yesterday’s stage we take it a little easier in the first part of the 6th stage, to have a final filled with fireworks on the final climb to the ski station of Sienna.


Stage 7: Klodzko – Karpacz

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Never really flat in this stage, but the climbs aren’t too steep either. Tactics will be very important if you need still to make up for lost time. The final kilometres to reach Karpacz are slightly uphill, which could make it more difficult for attackers that have to do it on their own.
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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by improb » 31/08/2019, 18:35

My version of the Tour de Pologne: maps/tours/view/12763

The race starts on the Baltic Sea, in the seaside resort of Kolobrzeg and finishes, after 1143 Kms in Zakopane, one of the most well known ski resorts in the country and host to many Tour de Pologne stages in the past. We have a tricky first flat stage, a cobbled flat stage, then four hilly to mountain stages (three of them with a uphill finish, generally easier than earlier climbs to encourage attacks from further out) and a TT, partly flat and partly uphill. Stage 1 commemorates Solidarnosc movement. Stage 2 commemorates Ostbloc racing and the Peace Race. Stage 4 has its finish in Karpacz, to commemorate past Tour de Pologne's (the race often used to have an uphill finish or MTT here).

Stage 1

Starts in Kolobrzeg and turns inland soon, in a slighly southwestern direction until we reach the Szczecin lagoon. After the first sprint in Szczecin, the race becomes hilly going through the Puszcza Bukowa, a forested ridge north of the city. The first climb is the uncategorized one to Arkona, roughly 3 kms at 3%, with the 1200 of them being cobbled. The undulating terrain continues until we get to Police (2nd sprint) to then turn south along the coast. After a few flat kms, there are 4 climbs one after the other, two of them categorized. The second to last one could prove decisive, 1,1 Kms at 5,2% on rough Flanders like cobbles. There should be many attacks but stronger sprinters can still win from a reduced sprint.

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Stage 2

Stage 2 starts in the district of Podjuchy, a quaint neighbourhood of Szczecin. It goes south, following a flat route. It may look like an easy sprinter's stage but it isn't. After the second sprint in Nowe Biskupice, with 23 kms, hell starts. We are talking about an 8 kms long sector of angular Ostbloc cobbles. The old Peace Race used to race a lot through them as Eastern Europe had many such roads. It was rough surface which made the race so hard and selective at the time. Anyway, this is one of the largest cobbles sector left and there's no gutter to hide on as we pass through thick woodlands. The sector is followed by seven kms of tarmac which lead to the second sector, 1,7 kms long, but not easier. If it rains, it'll be madness, especially the muddy tunnel at the end of the sector. It ends with 6 kms to go.

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Stage 3

The stage starts in Zielona Gora. This is the first hard stage. There are six categorized climbs as the stage goes through the rarely used Sudetes. The last three climbs are amongst the hardest in the race with Szklarka Poreba as the appetizer for the hardest climb in the race, Izerski Stog. The climb and its (quick and fairly technical) descent need to be repaved because it's not in great conditions but it can still be easily done. It'll be the launching pad for climbers who want to take back time after the cobbles stage. The finish is in front of the Swieradow ski resort, at the end of a short and hard climb.

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Stage 4

Stage 4 is an ITT. It starts from the quaint historical center of Jelenia Gora with a false flat until Kowary (another lovely place) and then to Sciegny (after 20,5 Kms). The rouleurs and TTers will have time to gain time on the climbers but will have to limit the losses to the climb that starts from here. It leads to Karpacz's Wang Church, a lovely wooden which also reaches gradients well above 10%.

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Stage 5

The race moves eastwards. The start in Kowary is quickly followed by a climb, which will help form a strong breakaway. The GC guys are gonna need teammates at the end and the break could have a good shout at winning it all. After the descent to Lubawka, there are 80 kms of undulating terrain until we get in Klodzko county, a historically Czech territory where we meet the eastern reaches of the Sudetes. There are 5 more categorized climbs in the last 100 kms, with little time for respite. The stage should be decided on the HC climb of Biala Woda, at 7,5 kms from the finish, followed by a descent, by the Janowa Gora climb, another descent and a quick final rise to Jaskinia caves.

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Stage 6

The stage starts in beautiful Raciborz. It heads east passing through Bielsko Biala and then to Andrychow, from which it turns south. After the sprint in Targanice, the first climb of the day starts. It's Kocierz which was one of the decisive climbs in the Tour of Poland this year (the climb will give a prize in memory of Bjorg Lambrecht to the first person the cross the KoM). After that, there are two more short rises before the sprint in Wegierska Gorka. In Kamecznica, a succession of five climbs back to back starts. 50 kms of madness and attacks. Riders who are back in GC can already go on Koniakow if they have teammates in the break, otherwise it'd be wise to attack on the second to last Salmopol, followed by a quick descent and then the Sczyrk wall (I wanted to finish at Podmagura but realistically unpaved roads and especially the lack of space at the top make it impossible).

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Stage 7

Final hilly stage. 4 climbs in the last 40 kms. Merger of the climbs used in the Zakopane and Bukowina stages.

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by PaStKaz » 01/09/2019, 11:23

As Pole i feel asked for something very good prepared. Pity that there can be only 7 stages - Poland is so big country that every day give chance to visit another interesting places and involve more fans. But on the other hand - in reality local authorities in many cities in Poland aren't very interested in hosting TdP.
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This is my Tour de Pologne. There is one two flat stages, one ITT, two stages in Carpathian Mountains and two in Sudetes. There is no very big and long uphills but it's part of polish reality and character of Tour de Pologne. Theoretically we have Przehyba and Karkonoska Pass but Przehyba is uncapable to host WT stage finish and Karkonoska Pass have terrible asphalt and becouse of location in national park it won't change in next years. Every finish place is capable to host that event, almost every mountain was used in some polish races in last years. On every stage there are 3 sprints with time bonuses - often last of them is close to finish line. According to real TdP rules, there are only 3 categories of mountain primes. Enjoy!
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Stage 1: Lódz - Olkusz 213 km
Whole tour starts in Lódz - one of the biggest cities in Poland. Then goes south and after 130 km reach Trail of the Eagle's Nests (trail of medieval castles), so whole tv transmision in Eurosport should be nice advertisment of this region. Especially when we look at stage profile - that won't be the most interesting stage so there will be enough time to present turistic attractions. It's surely day for sprinters, they shouldn't be stopped by "hill" on last kilometers. Of course we have mountain sprint on stage to turn on this classification.
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Stage 2: Kraków Main Sqare - Kraków Zoological Garden 196 km
This stage shows part of capabilities which Malopolska region have to organize outstanding ardennes-type races. This is part of longer tour so not all stage goes on narrow up-and-down roads but it still should be exciting. First uphill is classic climb from Tour of Malopolska - cobble 10% sector in city Wieliczka (as part of Roznowa mountian prime - during ToM this sector was used as last meters of stage). After big lap along Malopolska Region this climb is used again and starts crucial part of stage which ends in front of zoological garden after unregular climb on last 4 kilometers with max 12% about 1000 meters before finish line.
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Copernicus street in Wieliczka - key part of Roznowa climb: https://goo.gl/maps/cVhNU6A4suKnadWu8

Stage 3: Myslenice - Ustron-Równica 192 km
3rd day comes with 3rd level on hardness scale. On polish standards it's pure high mountain day. Key moment of first part of stage is Krowiarki Pass - the highest not-on-country-border asphalt pass in Poland. On last 50 kilomers there are 3 climbs - Salmopol and Zameczek which have been used by TdP organizers many times in last years and Równica - used only once, in 2010, when Dan Martin won after solo attack with advantage which let him win whole tour. Winner from Równica will surely became one of the main favourite to take yellow at the end.
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Cobble part of Równica: https://goo.gl/maps/yhZ3FSGKZowjxbQM7

Stage 4: Kedzierzyn-Kozle - Wroclaw 169 km
Flat stage with no story. But with part of history. Peleton will go through Niwki - birthplace of Joachim Halupczok who was amateur world champion in Chambery '89 and dies unexpectedly in 1994. Finish in Wroclaw - one of the biggest and most attractive cities in Poland.
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Stage 5: Sobótka - Sobótka 22 km - ITT
Sobótka is one of the main points on polish cycling map. Here, from 30 years, take place first race in season in Poland (actually without UCI category), here were organized national championships in 2013, 2014 and 2015 and now cycling club from Sobótka is organizer od polish championships even if there taking place somewhere else in Poland... and there is much more about this small city and cycling. Route of this ITT is traditional route of races in Sobótka - big lap around Sleza mountain with uphill on Tapadla Pass with max slope about 6%. In last years routes looks different (like in Visegrad 4 Bicycle Race Grand Prix Poland 2018) and, to be honest, more interesting than this but for ITT old version is perfect.
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Stage 6: Dzierzoniów - Przelecz Okraj 170 km
First part of stage is well known from CCC Tour (old name: Szlakiem Grodów Piastowskich). We have full crown of Owl Mountains with all 5 main road passes: from short and steep Srebrna Pass by longest and highest Jugowska Pass to "polish Gothard Pass" - Walimska Pass with 3km-long cobble sector. After this part we have long up-and-down part with many small uphills and downhills marked or not as mountain prime. And at the end - Przelecz Okraj. Highest point of whole tour. One of not many places in Poland where we have long uphill on really good wide road with place on the top which surely will be capable to host stage finish. I hope fact that stage podium could be in Czechia doesn't break the rules - it shouldn't be more than 100 meters from border. When it goes to numbers, it's over 10 percent at the beginning, then a little easier in middle part and constant 6-8% at last 3 kilometers. Of course Przelecz Okraj is in use in professional races - ITT from Kowary from years is constant point of Baltyk-Karkonosze Tour route, there are also amateur races, both polish and czech, which contains this pass. Stage of course is dedicated to guys who want to win whole race. Profile is invitation to agressive race but even if at the beginning of final climb there will be quite big group, the strongest should reach some time differences at finish line.
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"Polish Gothard": https://goo.gl/maps/Ci9BSineVwYHXVje7

Stage 7: Jelenia Góra - Jelenia Góra 135 km
Final stage taking place in two mountains ranges. First part is in Izera mountains and consist short and hard climb in spa town Swieradów and long and easy road to Izera Crossroad (Rozdroze Izerskie). Second part is in Karkonosze mountains with series of medium-length climbs used many times in smaller polish races in many different sequences. Last of them, Orlinek, is well known from Toue de Pologne - in years 1999-2007 final stages finishes at the top of this climb. After that we have chance to get small time bonuses on sprint in front of palace in Staniszów and bigger on finish line in Jelenia Góra main square. Probably it won't be decisive seconds in whole tour but who knows...
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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by AjachiChakrabarti » 01/09/2019, 14:42

My entry: maps/tours/view/12773

Stage 1: Bolszewo > Bolszewo (52.7 km, TTT)
maps/viewtrack/299503
The new and improved Tour de Pologne starts with a long and hilly team time trial in north Poland.
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Stage 2: Leba > Hel (223 km)
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Although this is classified as a flat stage, and is one of the two potential bunch sprints in the race, it features over two thousand metres of climbing, with four categorised climbs in an undulating profile. The stage ends on the Hel peninsula on the North Sea, with possible crosswinds and echelons in the final few kilometres.
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Stage 3: Czersk > Poznan (202.3 km)
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The race moves southwards with a more conventional sprint stage into Poznan.
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Stage 4: Smigiel > Gora (42.9 km, ITT)
maps/viewtrack/296387
The individual time trial follows a pan-flat course, with few twists and turns.
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Stage 5: Lubin > Odrodzenie (176.6 km)
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The race makes its way into the high mountains. After a third-category climb to Nowy Glinik comes the difficult second-category Przelecz Redzinska climb, 6 km long with slopes reaching 14 percent. Following another third-category climb, the stage ends at Odrodzenie, a monster 12-kilometre climb with slopes reaching 18 percent.
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Stage 6: Przesieka > Sniejka (168.3 km)
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The queen stage of the race is a loop through the Sudetes mountains, with eight categorised climbs. It ends on top of the Sniejka mountain, a 9.3-km HC climb at an average gradient of 9.5 percent, with slopes reaching 15 percent at places.
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Stage 7: Kety > Szczyrk (123.6 km)
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Ideally, there would have been a transition stage between the Sudetes and the Tatras, but the constraints of the contest (penultimate stage should be MTF; final stage should be short; race cannot leave Poland) and Poland's geography (with all the mountains straddling the borders with Czechia and Slovakia) means that there is an overly long transition between the two stages. This is a fun medium-mountain stage, with three difficult second-category climbs followed by a 3-kilometre wall near the end, with an average gradient of 14 percent and a maximum slope of over 22 percent, before a five-kilometre descent to the finish.
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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by PaStKaz » 02/09/2019, 10:09

Xander66 wrote:
31/08/2019, 11:30
My version of the Tour de Pologne:
maps/tours/view/12656

I'm trying to put up a presentation, but I keep getting an error because the site can't update my post..? I'll try again tomorrow and see if it works then
You using polish special letters? I had to avoid them (except ó) to public my post. On "preview" there were visible and usable...

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