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Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by emmea90 » 09/08/2019, 19:41

Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved
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Tour de Pologne is a nice race. One week kermesse up and down (more down) in Poland along circuit finishes. Except for the fact that is almost boring to watch and you always have first 10 in few second and it's like watching Tour Down Under in August.

Fortunately, Poland has different climbs that can be used to improve the route - some of them are in use in the other Polish races, like Tour of Malopolska, that you can find in our race calendar on the forum

What we ask you is to draw a different Tour of Poland, transforming it in a race more like a Paris-Nice. In particular there are the

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- There must be an ITT
- No more than 2 sprinters stage
- Penultimate stage should feature a Mountain Top Finish
- Last stage should be a short stage with up/downs like Col d'Eze stage in Nice
- You can't go out of Poland for the race.
- Circuits are not allowed. You are allowed to pass only once on the finish line

Deadline will be sunday, september 1st, h 23.59

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by emmea90 » 09/08/2019, 22:58

Forgot one thing: no circuits are allowed
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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by emmea90 » 10/08/2019, 14:39

To be more clear, I'll show you my idea for this contest: maps/tours/view/12577 (I'll not consider stage 1 is not a sprinter stage due to the uphill finish)
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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by mauro » 11/08/2019, 11:11

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Ecco il mio percorso, particolarmente indicato per l’anno 2020, quando si celebrerà il primo centenario della nascita di Papa Giovanni Paolo II. Le prime due frazioni sono, infatte, dedicate all’indimenticato pontefice, poi ci sarà anche una tappa intitolata a Bjorg Lambrecht

Here is my track, particularly indicated for the year 2020, when the first centenary of the birth of Pope John Paul II will be celebrated. The first two stage are, in fact, dedicated to the unforgettable pontiff, then there will also be a stage named after Bjorg Lambrecht

1 stage: Kalwaria Zebrzydowska - Kalwaria Zebrzydowska (Sanktuarium) (ITT – 5.2 Km)

Ho scelto di far partire la corsa da Kalwaria Zebrzydowska, santuario molto caro a Papa Giovanni Paolo II, situato a breve distanza dalla cittadina dove è nato e iscritto dal 1999 nella lista dei patrimoni mondiali dell’umanità dell’UNESCO. Il percorso ricorda quello della tappa d’apertura del Giro del 2018 a Bologna, sebbene la salita conclusiva non sia ripida come quella di San Luca

I chose to start the race from Kalwaria Zebrzydowska, a sanctuary very dear to Pope John Paul II, located a short distance from the town where he was born and registered since 1999 on the list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites. The route is reminiscent of the opening stage of the Giro of 2018 in Bologna, although the final climb is not as steep as that of San Luca

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2 stage: Wadowice - Czestochowa (Jasna Góra) (169.3 Km)

Seconda ed ultima tappa dedicata a Papa Wojtyla. Si parte dal paese dove è nato per arrivare al celebre santuario di Czestochowa, situato sulla collina di Jasna Góra. Nel finale è prevista una prima ascesa alla collina su quale è costruito il santuario, poi ci si fa ritorno – ma non è previsto nessun circuito – al termine di un tratto finale in leggero falsopiano. Tappa per velocisti e finisseur.

Second and last stage dedicated to Pope Wojtyla. It starts from the town where he was born to get to the famous Czestochowa sanctuary, located on the hill of Jasna Góra. In the final there is a first ascent to the hill on which the sanctuary is built, then there is a return - but no circuit is foreseen - at the end of a final stretch in slight slight slope. Stage for sprinters and finisseurs.

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3 stage: Radomsko – Rybnik (216.4 Km)

La tappa più lunga è anche quella più facile, ultima delle due occasioni riservate ai velocisti

The longest stage is also the easiest, the last of the two occasions reserved for sprinters

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4 stage: Jastrzebie-Zdroj - Gora Zar (171.4 Km)

È la prima delle frazioni decisive della corsa polacca, la più difficile sotto l’aspetto altimetrico. Nel finale sono previsti i “muri” di Kocierz – che si doveva affrontare quest’anno nella tappa che è stata neutralizzata – e del Passo Targanicka a far da “aperitivi” alla salita finale verso il lago artificiale di Gora Zar

It is the first of the decisive stages of the Polish race, the most difficult under the altimetric aspect. In the final, the “walls" of Kocierz - which was to be faced this year in the stage that was neutralized - are planned and of the Targanicka Pass to act as “aperitifs” for the final ascent towards the artificial lake of Gora Zar

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5 stage: Czerwionka-Leszczyny - Zory (Bjorg Lambrecht Stage - TTT – 16.6 Km)

È la tappa che ho voluto dedicare a Bjorg Lambrecht e che transita dal punto dove il corridore belga ha avuto l’incidente che gli è stato fatale, indicato sull’altimetria con “Bjorg Lambrecht Memorial”. Nelle intenzioni originali doveva essere una prova individuale, poi ho pensato che sarebbe stata più adatta una prova a squadre, che potrebbe magari terminare con la vittoria della Lotto Soudal

It is the stage that I wanted to dedicate to Bjorg Lambrecht and which passes from the point where the Belgian rider had the fatal accident, indicated on the altimetry with "Bjorg Lambrecht Memorial". In the original intentions it had to be an individual test, then I thought that a team test would have been more suitable, which could end with the victory of the Lotto Soudal

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6 stage: Katowice - Ustron (Równica) (190.9 Km)

Le ultime due tappe non sono durissime ma, considerata la brevità della corsa e le difficoltà finora affrontate, potrebbero rivelarsi decisive. Oggi, come da richiesta, ho inserito un Mountain Top Finish al penultimo giorno di gara: si arriva sulla Równica, la montagna che sovrasta la stazione di sport invernali di Ustron

The last two stages are not very hard but, given the shortness of the race and the difficulties faced so far, they could prove decisive. Today, as requested, I inserted a Mountain Top Finish on the penultimate day of the race: we arrive on Równica, the mountain overlooking the winter sports resort of Ustron

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7 stage: Bukowina Tatrzanska – Zakopane (121.6 Km)

L’ultima tappa è nata dalla fusione delle due tappe conclusive delle edizioni più recenti del Tour de Pologne, quelle di Bukowina Tatrzanska e Zakopane. Bukowina ospita la partenza e il primo sprint, Zakopane il secondo sprint e il traguardo finale (ma, anche in questo caso, non c’è un vero circuito non essendo previsto un primo passaggio sulla linea d’arrivo). La salita più difficile è la prima, all’interno del quale è previsto un breve ma ripidissimo muro.

The last stage was born from the fusion of the two final stages of the most recent editions of the Tour de Pologne, those of Bukowina Tatrzanska and Zakopane. Bukowina hosts the start and the first sprint, Zakopane the second sprint and the final goal (but, even in this case, there is no real circuit as there is no first pass on the finish line). The most difficult climb is the first, within which there is a short but very steep wall.

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by jajoejoe » 12/08/2019, 14:15

Here is my submission for this contest. I enjoyed making this tour of Poland as it is something different than normal and I don't know Poland as well as France for example.
maps/tours/view/12593

Stage 1: Tczew - Bydgoszcz 151.28Km
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My first stage of the Tour of Poland starts up north close to Gdansk in the ville of Tczew, the rest of this stage is flat apart from one small climb and follows the Wisla river all the way to Bydgoszcz. This also is arguably the easiest stage of my Tour of Poland.

Stage 2: Wagrowiec - Krosno Odrzanskie 219.01Km
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Stage 2 is Marked as a flat stage but it won't be a mass sprint, the combination of the long distance, the 1500m long cobblesector with cobbled climb and the uphill finish could make this a chaotic stage and one the GC riders can't underestimate.

Stage 3: Zielona Gora - Luban 170.05Km
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Another sprinters stage and the last chance for the participating sprinters, after this stage expect a lot of sprinters and their lead-out to abandon the race and focus on other goals and races.

Stage 4: Piechowice - Bystrzyca Klodzka 175.59Km
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The first hills show up in front of the riders today, not the hardest day, but aas Always the GC riders need to watch out and don't get surprised. The first few hills won't decide anything they are just there so to make the stage a little harder than just the final climbs. The final of this stage starts on the fairly long Karlow climb which doesn't look hard just looking at the average gradiënt, but this climb isn't constant. After that follows the long drag uphill, this part could be crucial to the stage's finish, if 1 or 2 teams decide to go full gas up here it will just be a small group arriving at the foot of the last climb, if this isn't the case there will be a big peloton on the foot of the last climb and the strong sprinters still have a chance. After the last climb the riders face a long descent but it isnt technical. The finish is slightly uphill so timing is crucial here.

Stage 5: Klodzko - Zloty Stok 26.58Km
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Today is the ITT day in my Tour of Poland. The stage starts in Klodzko, one of the oldest towns of Silesia know for its almost 1000 year old fortification. This ITT starts with a drag uphill before the riders descent down to the also 1000 year old town of Bardo. The finish is in Zloty Stok which means Golden Hillside, called so because of the fact there was a gold deposit found here in the middle ages.

Stage 6: Nysa - Szczyrk 198.86Km
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The penultimate stage goes uphill again. The first 180Km of this stage are flat, after this the riders face the almost 7Km long Przelecz Salmopolska pass, this climb could enable long range attacks because there is only a descent and a steep climb after this pass. The riders will descent to the town Szczyrk where they'll face the short "wall" to the convention center located above the town.

Stage 7: Nowy Targ - Morskie Oko 111.99Km
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The last stage of my Tour of Poland features almost no flat parts after the foot of the first climb most of this stage will go either up or down. After climbs known because of the last 2 stage of the "normal" Tour of Poland the riders will face the uphill finish to one of the most beautiful lakes of Europe as experts say. The last climb is normally closed for motorized access, but I did the maths to ensure that this climb can be included to a cycling race. The last 8.55Km of the road are closed for motorized vehicles. This is 8550M or 855000. The average human has a width of 45 Cm considering there will be 1 row of supporters on both sides of the roads you'll have to do 855000 times 2. To calculate the total supporters do 1710000:45=38000 people. During the vacation season the total visitors to this lake are 50.000. Considering the popularity of the Tour of Poland and the fact that this climb won't be full of supporters the total of supporters on the climb may be the same as on a crowdy day somewhere in the vacation in July. The only thing that may has to be done is that Motards follow the riders instead of cars, just like the Zoncolan during the 2018 Giro.

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Post by jibvalverde » 13/08/2019, 17:03

"No circuits". We're not allowed to passs twice on the arrival but can we make twice a climb/road in the same stage ?

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by emmea90 » 14/08/2019, 10:01

jibvalverde wrote:
13/08/2019, 17:03
"No circuits". We're not allowed to passs twice on the arrival but can we make twice a climb/road in the same stage ?
You are not allowed to pass twice the arrival.

Would've even better if possibile not repeating climb in stafe
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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by michal1238 » 19/08/2019, 16:37

It is my version of Tour de Pologne: maps/tours/view/12666
I stage from Poznan to Legnica is a typical day for sprinters. There are not many great views or monuments between start and finish, so probably it wouln't be impressive day.
II stage is a ITT. Short route is very hard and it can cause some time differences between cyclists.
III stage is a second and last chance for sprinters who are not good enough in mountains. Katowice is a city well-known city for everybody interested in TdP.
IV stage visits some tourists destination like Sucha Beskidzka, Zywiec or Wisla. Before last kilometres in Bielsko-Biala there are 3 demanding climbs, what guarantees a great fight.
V stage is also full of climbs and famous cities and places. After start in Wadowice, cyclists will visit Kalwaria and after that there will be a lot of climbs in Beskidy Mountains. Last 20 kms don't include any climbs, but after mountains in the front it shouldn't be a lot of poeple.
VI stage has only one climb, but the finish is the hardest 10 km of race.
VII stage is a last day of racing, there are a lot of hills known from TdP and also there is a mountain finish.

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by chuimiento » 19/08/2019, 17:07

This is my proposal for the Tour of Pologne improved.

maps/tours/view/12581

Brief description of the route.
As the Tour the Pologne usually features only the southern half of the country, I'd like to give some more protagonism to the other half of it. Obviously, the route goes southwards for the last stages as it's the only mountainous area of the territory. I wanted to insert a stage with some kind of difficulty in the first part of the route, and I barely only found the Gdánsk area with some very short ascents, which would make an interesting stage. After it, a very long transfer is held to take the riders to Warsaw, but it is not so invasive as the third stage is the TT, which gives more time to the teams and the riders. The final climb of stage 6 barely allows to build the installations for the ending of the stage at the top, but a convention centre is placed at the half of the ascent so the podiums and so on could be assembled there, with only the finish line and the minimum logistics necessary at the top. The 25-km long time trial also forces climbers to attack early in the final three stages, as the terrain allows it (specially in the last two of them) in order to recover the possible gap out of Warsaw's ITT.

Stages:
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Stage 1 - Poznan - Bydgoszcz
Poznan > Bydgoszcz: 126.40 Km Plain

The first stage of this Tour of Poland is a fully flat route northwards starting from the city of Poznan to the northern city of Bydgoszcz. The route doesn't feature any remarkable difficulty, so it's supposed to finish in a mass sprint to hold the first leader jersey.

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Stage 2 - Czersk - Gdánsk
Czersk > Gdánsk: 211.92 Km Medium Mountain

The second stage keeps the north direction, finishing the stage in the city of Gdánsk. One of the longest stages so far, more than 210 kilometres of a stage with a hilly second part, featuring six small hills in the last 100 kilometres. All of them are really small, some of them being fairly smooth and the others too short for big movements. However, the last 10 kilometres feature two steep streets (the last of them, above 7% average and only 3 kilometres before the finish line) that could favour some movements from the bunch to surprise the sprint. This stage is expected to finish in a restricted sprint or with a solo attacker managing to take the win. Fatigue will help to provoke an unexpected ending with attacks and a late break.

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Stage 3 - Warszawa - Warszawa
Warszawa > Warszawa: 24.63 Km Individual Time Trial

The third stage is a medium-distance, completely plain time trial through the streets of Poland's capital city, Warszawa. Important journey for the aspirations of the GC as significant gaps can be taken from strong time trialists, which will try to start the climbs with all the possible advantage.

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Stage 4 - Lodz - Katowice
Lodz > Katowice: 212.19 Km Plain

The fourth stage features a long, plain journey between the cities of Lodz, in central Poland, and Katowice. Its length, above 200 km, will be the main difficult in a route expected to finish, for the second and last time in the tour, in a mass sprint.

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Stage 5 - Krakow - Góra Zar
Krakow > Góra Zar: 168.97 Km Medium Mountain

Finally, the route takes the race southwards and starts the three mountainous stages, which will define the GC. The first of them starts from the main city of Krakow, second largest of the country, and goes southwesternwards, featuring the mountains near Bielsko-Biala.

The first part of the route is fairly plain, with small, smooth hills, and the interesting portion of it starts when the riders have accomplished at least 110 km frmo the beginning. Four climbs of increasing difficulty will follow, woth the two 2nd-category Kocierz and Wielka Puszcza, placed around 30 km to the finish line, being a good moment for long-range tactics and attacks, woth some good slopes above 10%. The final climb, Gora Zar, is longer but clearly not as hard, featuring maximum slopes of 8-9% and with more than 5% average. The finish is pretty amazing, just in front of a high altitude lake which will be spectator of a surely interesting finish.

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Stage 6 - Bielsko-Biala - Podmagura
Bielsko-Biala > Podmagura: 167.47 Km Medium Mountain

Probably the queen stage of this Tour. The riders will race from the city of Bielsko-Biala to the climb of Podmagura, crossing 167 kilometres with 8 categorised climbs, with increasing difficuly and a frightening final wall with 10,3% average.

The first part of the stage is not as hard as the final kilometres, with a 2nd categroy climb in the first instants, which could make a strong breakaway, and some short 3rd category walls. The final 50 kilometres feature five increasingly difficult climbs, with the wall of Wisla Bukowa (2nd category) being the first great place to make a move (1,30 km at 10,15% average). After it, two long and smooth climbs will allow the race to be broken. The final climb is really steep (2,5 kilometres at 10,3% average) and features maximum slopes around 15%.

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Stage 7 - Zakopane - Zakopane
Zakopane > Zakopane: 143.26 Km Medium Mountain

Finally, the last stage offers a beautiful ending for this Tour of Pologne. A route full of short ups and downs would be perfect for a broken race, difficult to control and with an important GC fight. Up to 10 different climbs will be held within two parts: at start, the first 60 kilometres with five climbs and a wavy terrain adequate for the formation of a breakaway. Finally, the last 50 kilometres, with five increasingly difficult climbs, including the steep Pitoniovka (2 km at 9%) placed at 40 kilometres to the finish, and the two final 1st category climbs, almost linked, followed by a fast and surely thrilling descent towards the city of Zakopane.

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Re: Contest #5 - Tour de Pologne improved

Post by sportdani19 » Yesterday, 20:11

Hey,i'm New Here,please can you check my Tour.Critics are Welcome.
Ciao,sono nuovo qui, Per favore date uno sguardo al mio tour.Le critiche sono benvenute.

https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/tours/view/12677

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