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Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2020 - VOTING

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Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2020 - VOTING

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In this topic you can vote for the Vuelta 2020 contest, according to the following rules.

PLEASE READ ALL THE POST BEFORE VOTING

How to vote

1 - You have to judge the track according to the requirements: contests/contest-vuelta-2020-t7367.html

2 - You have to write in a post your best FIVE routes, from worse to best, providing a brief motivation for each choice
FIFTH PLACE
(Motivation)

FOURTH PLACE
(Motivation)

THIRD PLACE
(Motivation)

SECOND PLACE
(Motivation)

FIRST PLACE
(Motivation)
How does it work?
- First choice got 6 points, second 4, third 3, fourth 2 and fifth 1 point.
- Presentation bonus grant you 3 points (we will add later with penalties who took the bonus)
- Ranking will be made according to points obtained
- In case of equality I will decide the winner
- YOU CAN'T VOTE FOR YOURSELF
- You can also comment other people's reviews regarding your or other one's routes
- YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR VOTE ONCE SUBMITTED

Who can vote?
- Every user that submitted a contest (full points vote)
- Every user in the La Flamme Rouge Staff (Emmea90, Pigna, Sagan99, Matthorse, Nasdon33, Linkinito, Bose12)
- Every user that has registered BEFORE today and has at least 10 tracks in the editor. In this case, his votes counts half of the points scale

Penalties
- Every user that submitted a contest and doesn't submit a valid vote (with 5 choices and motivations) will get a 10 points penalty for all his routes.
- It's FORBBIDDEN to ask for votes. Who will be caught public or privately asking for a vote to some users will get a 50 points penalty in first instance, then the exclusion from all the contests of the year
- Vote penalties for unpracticable routes will be assigned by staff during this phase

Requisites for the +3 bonus
- Providing link of the tour in the post
- Providing viewable image of each stage with a description in the post

Deadline for vote phase is november 22, h 23.59

Routes
Mauro: maps/tours/view/16429 +3 presentation
Pesallu: maps/tours/view/16434 +3 presentation
TourdefranceGO: maps/tours/view/16421
Benoit.guillot: maps/tours/view/16399 +3 presentation
Davandluz: maps/tours/view/16463 + 3 presentation
Jajoejoe: maps/tours/view/16409 + 3 presentation
Paoloagb: maps/tours/view/16621 + 3 presentation
Belgian4444: maps/tours/view/16454 +3 presentation
Joak01: maps/tours/view/16508 +3 presentation
Jekp: maps/tours/view/16612 +3 presentation
Luigi.russo: maps/tours/view/15547 +3 presentation
Kanon16: maps/tours/view/16461 +3 presentation
Improb: maps/tours/view/16559 +3 presentation
Rober_vlc: maps/tours/view/16743 +3 presentation
Jibvalverde: maps/tours/view/16747
IamCeeKae: maps/tours/view/16569
AjachiChakrabarti: maps/tours/view/16696 +3 presentation
Taaramaae_crack: maps/tours/view/16728 +3 presentation
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2020 - VOTING

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emmea90 wrote:
02/11/2020, 9:41

Mauro: not admittable, because the route does not fullfills the requirements provided
Hi emmea90, where did I go wrong in tracking my Vuelta?

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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2020 - VOTING

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mauro wrote:
02/11/2020, 14:23
emmea90 wrote:
02/11/2020, 9:41

Mauro: not admittable, because the route does not fullfills the requirements provided
Hi emmea90, where did I go wrong in tracking my Vuelta?
The requirements were a vuelta of 18 days, you tracked a vuelta of 21 days.
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2020 - VOTING

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emmea90 wrote:
02/11/2020, 15:57
mauro wrote:
02/11/2020, 14:23
emmea90 wrote:
02/11/2020, 9:41

Mauro: not admittable, because the route does not fullfills the requirements provided
Hi emmea90, where did I go wrong in tracking my Vuelta?
The requirements were a vuelta of 18 days, you tracked a vuelta of 21 days.
I understood 18 stages, also because the Vuelta currently underway has 18 stages (while there are 20 days including the two rest day). I don't know if it counts as a mitigating factor

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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2020 - VOTING

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mauro wrote:
02/11/2020, 16:24
emmea90 wrote:
02/11/2020, 15:57
mauro wrote:
02/11/2020, 14:23


Hi emmea90, where did I go wrong in tracking my Vuelta?
The requirements were a vuelta of 18 days, you tracked a vuelta of 21 days.
I understood 18 stages, also because the Vuelta currently underway has 18 stages (while there are 20 days including the two rest day). I don't know if it counts as a mitigating factor
Sorry, re-checked, your route is fine. Thought you did 21 stages.
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2020 - VOTING

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emmea90 wrote:
02/11/2020, 9:41




Mauro: not admittable, because the route does not fullfills the requirements provided
My track still doesn't appear in the voting list

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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2020 - VOTING

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Don't want to be a snitch, but Jibvalverde's route seems to go into Andorra, which I thought wasn't allowed?

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Belgian4444 wrote:
03/11/2020, 11:50
Don't want to be a snitch, but Jibvalverde's route seems to go into Andorra, which I thought wasn't allowed?
It wasn't forbidden in the rules. Not allowed to do 2019 stages or go in Portugal but nothing about Andorra.

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Emmea said no Andorra two posts down in the first page. Or else you would probably see it in almost all the courses.

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He didn't forbid it in the requirements so how can you remember months later ? I'm sorry but, if it's not in requirement, it can't be forbidden....

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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2020 - VOTING

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I think the fairest thing would be for you to keep your route in the contest (which is quite good, by the way) but maybe change that stage as I think many of us would have planned a stage into Andorra otherwise. I think it's the correct trade off. Andorra offers many more opportunities but Val d'Aran is close to it and you can have good mountain stages there too.

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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2020 - VOTING

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Considering that I did not write that in 1st post but in a consequent post, i'll give 48 hrs to jibvalverde to change only that stage.

Voting is suspended until stage is changed.
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Voting is reopened
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For the last contest of the year, I've decide to use my teacher's skills and grade all your trace using a scale that rate several point : Transferts, stage's type repartition, originality, realism, moutain stages, plain stages, medium moutain stages, TT stages. Each of you receive a grade as in the french system from 0 to 20. Congrats to all as no trace were graded under 8 but here are the 5 better grade


FIFTH PLACE : Jekp
Very strong moutain stages and a stage repartition close to perfection but you've lost points on your hilly stages and a fex on transferts but it's a strong 15/20

FOURTH PLACE : Jibvalverde
You succeed to be quite good on all of you stages but you've lost a few points here and there cause your trace is quite good but not exceptionnal. Your trace reach 15/20 but your retrace make you 4th despite your equality of point with Jekp

THIRD PLACE : IamCeeKae
I don't remind you posting another trace for a contest so for a first try (for me) that's a solid effort ! Your trace is well-balanced and check all my requirements but you've lost points on flat and hilly stages. 15,5/20

SECOND PLACE : Belgian4444
We begin to reach the top ! I admired your effort to be realist and to have realistic transfert ! Despite that, you suceed to draw a trace quite original ! I am not fully convinced by your plain, hilly and TT stages. 16,5/20

FIRST PLACE : Improb
Once agin, you made my personnal top five ! Congrats ! Your trace is almost perfect but I would have just a longer moutain stage. That's a detail. 17/20

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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2020 - VOTING

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Hi Emmea this sounds stupid for me to say this now but considering I only attatched profiles for like the first 15 stages (I forgot about the competition until now) shouldn't I get discredited for that? I'll take the points if I am allowed them though!

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FIFTH PLACE: AjachiChakrabarti

A bit too much climbing in my opinion, but if you would replace the TTT by an ITT (since the ITT is a climbing one), I think it could give an interesting and exciting GC battle.

FOURTH PLACE: Jajoejoe

Some weird uphill finishes in the beginning (Stage 4 & 6), but you make up for that in the second half. Great stage 15.

THIRD PLACE: Taaramaae_crack

Well made route. 14 & 17 are good stages, but 15 might be underwhelming in real life. Overall, it gives a real Vuelta vibe.

SECOND PLACE: Jekp

A bit too much sprinting in the first half if you compare it to the second. A better mix would have been #1.

FIRST PLACE: IamCeeKae

Not much to add, just a good route. Well done!

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My votes for Vuelta 2020

FIFTH PLACE: JibValverde
First half a bit boring in my opinion, but The second half is great.

FOURTH PLACE: TourDeFranceGO
Think you have made a really Nice route, especially using Mallorca for the grand depart.


THIRD PLACE: Benoit.Guillot
Good first week, really like your stages in the pyrenees, not that many good oportunities for the gc contendors to Make a move in the last week

SECOND PLACE: Improb:
Loads of thrilling mountain and hilly stages. Love it, but not as balanced as Jajoeejoe’s route

FIRST PLACE: Jajoejoe
great exiting first week, overall i think your route give all types of tiders a chance to go for stage wins, and you Got a Nice variation of High mountain stages.

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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2020 - VOTING

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I'm not sure if the votes are honest. I've watch my tour and others and have not the same watches than voted tours

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FIFTH PLACE: kanon16
Although the travel distances are somewhat unrealistic, and the sequence by which the stages are ordered a bit odd, the stages that were created were plotted quite nicely, with a very nice balance between medium and high mountain stages, and a lot of mountain top finishes to match with realistic Vuelta expectations.

FOURTH PLACE: mauro
A nice grand tour with several nice stage finishes that show resemblance to real-life Vuelta stages, often a mountain top finish, with short, yet steep climbs. Personally, I see stage 1 more as a medium mountain stage, and I feel the high mountain label was applied more for the sake of following the rules of the contest, rather than because it is distinctively high mountain category. Some travel distances, even when they come with a rest day, might be a little too long. Still, it's fun to see the tour somewhat complete a full circle, starting around Madrid, traversing through Spain, only to finish in Madrid once again. Nicely done overall.

THIRD PLACE: AjachiChakrabarti
A Vuelta with several really good stages and an overall stage race that puts emphasis on climbing, including in its second time trial. Clever use of the fourth stage as a 'prologue', with unpaved route in its time-trial, something you don't see often. Great stage race, even if slightly unbalanced in favour of climbers over time-trial specialists and sprinters. Nice profiles, and great submission.

SECOND PLACE: jajoejoe
This stage race properly takes into account the original Dutch stages that were skipped due to Covid-19, and immediately starts off in stage 1 with a finish on top of a climb, assuming that originally, three flat stages precluded it. This Vuelta traverses the Pyrenées, follows the coast towards southern Spain, and then completes a full Spanish circle be travelling upward again and finishing in Madrid, without unnecessarily long travel distances along the way. Nice job!

FIRST PLACE: davandluz
Although the flight distance from the Netherlands (where the race originally started) all the way to Benidorm in southern Spain might be a little on the long end, the sequence of stages that follow make up for it in how they were planned out. A subdued first week, all the way up to the second rest day, and a second and third week of the Vuelta that gradually increase in difficulty. The race follows the rules, with two high mountain stages without a mountain top finish at least, while still keeping in mind the way in which the Vuelta is normally plotted, with steep climbs and hill or mountain top finishes. It's a great route all around.

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FIFTH PLACE: improb
Too much mountain for me, especially in first week. But i love your last eight stages...


FOURTH PLACE: Luigi.russo
Nice race with good mountain stages and a passable balance. But a little too much mountain...

THIRD PLACE: davandluz
it's a great Vuelta with no too many CC and good mountain stages like Ponga. A little shame that last stage is Bola del Mundo. Not fan of CC day before Madrid.

SECOND PLACE: jajoejoe
I love everything in your Vuelta even if i would have liked a better last stage, lighter and with tougher climbs. But very close to perfection.

FIRST PLACE: taaramae_crack
i absolutely love your race. Ponferrada stage is perfect and your last week is superbe. Nothing to say against your race.

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