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Contest #9: End of Season Contest - VOTING

Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting


In this topic you can vote for the Tour de France, according to the following rules.

PLEASE READ ALL THE POST BEFORE VOTING

How to vote

1 - You have to judge the track according to the requirements: contests/contest-vuelta-2021-t7432.html

2 - You have to write in a post your best FIVE routes, from worse to best, providing a brief motivation for each choice
FIFTH PLACE
(Motivation)

FOURTH PLACE
(Motivation)

THIRD PLACE
(Motivation)

SECOND PLACE
(Motivation)

FIRST PLACE
(Motivation)
How does it work?
- First choice got 6 points, second 4, third 3, fourth 2 and fifth 1 point.
- Presentation bonus grant you 3 points (we will add later with penalties who took the bonus)
- Ranking will be made according to points obtained
- In case of equality I will decide the winner
- YOU CAN'T VOTE FOR YOURSELF
- You can also comment other people's reviews regarding your or other one's routes
- YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR VOTE ONCE SUBMITTED

Who can vote?
- Every user that submitted a contest (full points vote)
- Every user in the La Flamme Rouge Staff (Emmea90, Pigna, Sagan99, Matthorse, Nasdon33, Linkinito, Bose12)
- Every user that has registered BEFORE today and has at least 10 tracks in the editor. In this case, his votes counts half of the points scale

Penalties
- Every user that submitted a contest and doesn't submit a valid vote (with 5 choices and motivations) will get a 10 points penalty for all his routes.
- It's FORBBIDDEN to ask for votes. Who will be caught public or privately asking for a vote to some users will get a 50 points penalty in first instance, then the exclusion from all the contests of the year
- Vote penalties for unpracticable routes will be assigned by staff during this phase

Requisites for the +3 bonus
- Providing link of the tour in the post
- Providing viewable image of each stage with a description in the post

Deadline for vote phase is october 8, h 23.59

Routes:
Mauro: maps/tours/view/19385 +4 bonus
Lukkier: maps/tours/view/19401 +4 bonus
Diego12Alpe: maps/tours/view/19382 +4 bonus
Ellvey: maps/tours/view/19397 +4 bonus
Will4563: maps/tours/view/19393 +4 bonus
Jajoejoe: maps/tours/view/19413 +4 bonus
Drmeanfield: maps/tours/view/19425 +4 bonus
Werfer: maps/tours/view/19384 +4 bonus
Benoit.guillot: maps/tours/view/19379 +4 bonus
Jibvalverde: maps/tours/view/19469 +4 bonus
Lennert: maps/tours/view/19482
Belgian4444: maps/tours/view/19388 +4 bonus
Joostvandebeek: maps/tours/view/19420
Davandluz: maps/tours/view/19510 +4 bonus
Betto: maps/tours/view/19429
Jekp: maps/tours/view/19439 +4 bonus
Improb: maps/tours/view/19433
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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Sorry, but I also submitted my route for the contest, and it was not in the voting
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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But the bug which now prevent me to have the profile of my stage 9 at the screen, i will put there the profile an another website, because i don't have a choice.... I don't know what to do except that.

Stage 9 : Benidorm - Parcent, 114 km

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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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jibvalverde wrote: 22/09/2021, 14:55 But the bug which now prevent me to have the profile of my stage 9 at the screen, i will put there the profile an another website, because i don't have a choice.... I don't know what to do except that.

Stage 9 : Benidorm - Parcent, 114 km

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I've added the elevation, can you send me the GPX you used and where you generated it? Thanks
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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My voting:

5th: Diego12alpe
I love your stages, one of the only things is, that I would like to see a ITT on the last stage.

4th: lukkier
I love your Andorra stage and your other stages. I think the first ITT is too flat.

3rd: drmeanfield
I love your idea with more cathedrals. I didnøt quite like your first week, but the last week is really good.

2nd: jajoejoe
There is no stages I dislike, and I love your mountain stages

1st: Werfer
A masterful tour. The only thing I don't like is your last stage. I would like the route to be more hilly in the end. It would also be great if you had made the route under 3500 kilometers.
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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5th place - Duvadluz: well balance Vuelta, I don't like that stage 20 is flat.

4th place - Belgian444: also here i don't like a flat stage 20; on the other hand i see some very interesting stages.

3rd place - Jajoejoe: very good Vuelta, I think the route is very balance on every elements

2nd place - Drmeanfield: I like so much the idea of the TTT and the ITT ati Tibidado. Also the rest of the Vuelta is good enough

1st place - Werfer: I love this Vuelta, it is very hard, few stages for ambushes. The only doubt in that probably we couldn't see in real life a GT like this because maybe is too hard.
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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Has Jekp's Vuelta been forgotten in the top list? Or was he too late?
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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FIFTH PLACE | Belgian 4444
Not a bad race with some interesting stages.

FOURTH PLACE | lukkier
Good balanced tour, but maybe too much flat stages.

THIRD PLACE | ellvey
I like very much your race but I don't like that you copied some real stages. Also I think three time trials is too much and I'd prefer two instead. I'd also like to see longer stages in the last week.

SECOND PLACE | jajoejoe
I think your stages are well placed and specially the mountain ones.

FIRST PLACE | Werfer
It is not the Vuelta I'd like to see in real life but it is one that the Vuelta organizers could do any year so well done.
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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FIFTH PLACE - jajoejoe

A lot of very good ideas such as Morrederro, Tortosa ou Puerto del Pico but i regret the four arrival at the top of the last week. It's too much.

FOURTH PLACE - drmeanfield

A very beautiful Vuelta, balanced and with good ideas such as Alto Cruz de la Demanda. But i'm not "charmed" by a single one of your stages, so it left you in fourth position.

THIRD PLACE - JoostvandeBeek

I love most of your stages - at the top of them Pico del Fraile, Guadalupe and Albondon - but i have too little problemes : you keep the last two stages (i found this a little disappointed) and seven stages on the row in mountain is too much.

SECOND PLACE - Belgian4444

It's siumple : if you had more plain stages, you would have been in first place. I really like your Vuelta, with a lot of arrival that i love. But not enough balance.

FIRST PLACE - ellvey

A well balanced Vuelta, some very good ideas, originality (Pena de Francia). I really like it.
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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My Votes

5. lukkier - good balanced, little too many MTF's

4. benoit.guillot - first stage impractical, the rest is good, avila should have gone up the cobbles, gamoniteiru wrong side

3. werfer - good idea's, really like your last week, only doubt sierra de carrascoy is doable

2.ellvey - really nice tour, with some good mountain stages, good balance

1. jajoejoe - very good tour, wich has everything

My thoughts on other tours
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mauro - some solid stages, but overall too many MTF's, don't like ancares from other side
diegoalpe - very good first week, lesser second two weeks, no sprinter chances
will - no sprinter stages, gamoniteiru wrong side and angliru is too close and defeats gamoniteiru's purpose
drmeanfield - tour is too hard, no easy stages
jibvalverde - solid tour, not sure about the gravel tough
belgian444 - good idea's, for some reason does not give me a spark
davandlus - good tour, just did not make the cut
jekp - solid tour, but the others I liked more
lennert - no 3 stages burgos, for the rest a nice tour with some unknown mountains, transfer gamoniteiru santiago questionable
Betto - nice tour, I just like some other more
improb - tour is inclompete (I can see not all stages)
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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FITH PLACE: Jostvandebeek
Great stages of high mountain, and also good medium mountain ones. The only thing I didn’t liked is that you two last stages are the same as the real Vuelta ones
FOURTH PLACE: drmeanfield
Good stages and lots of interesting things, but the thing I liked the most was the Fonsagrada stage, that is simply awesome. I left you in the third place becouse the Gamoniteiro stage didn’t convince me
THIRD PLACE: BETTO
Awsome medium mountain stages in the first half of the Vuelta, but you didn’t have a consistent high mountain, you were tight with drmeanfield
SECOND PLACE: lukkier
The best balanced Vuelta, the thing why you’re 2nd is because the Andorra stage I think the Coll de la Gallina is a better climb for making before the last one or making like the Vuelta’18
FIRST PLACE: improb
Supercool stages in the north and great mountain well defined, you were almost tight with lukkier but I decided you track because of the 5th, 9th and 15th stages, wich I loved
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5th Place: Belgian4444
I like the stages but the overall route isn't very diverse. Doesn't go really into a lot of different regions

4th place: Lukkier
Going into Andorra is a mistake imo and shows a lack of originality

3rd place: Joostvandebeek
Some really original stages in there

2nd place: Werfer
It's great, but almost all finishes are from recent editions, which I don't like

1st place: Ellvey
Just really great overall, well done!
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

Post by drmeanfield »

I've realized rating others tours is harder than designing them, but let's go. With the most subjective criteria, my votes go to:

5th place: jajoejoe
Your Vuelta was balanced, although I found as many stages I disliked as remarkable ones.

4th place: Diego12Alpe
I liked the difficulty of the race increases as stages go on, although I believe sprinters deserve more opportunities than you give them.

3rd place: davandluz
I liked this Vuelta a lot, but I don't know if climbing mountains from the wrong side in stages 16 and 17 was done on purpose to soften them or was a mistake; after all, I like mountain stages to be as hard as possible.

2nd place: Werfer
Plenty of great stages, but unbalanced to my taste. Being able to use the Castro de Herville climb in the last stage without making it similar to the one in la Vuelta is also a merit; after all, I think it was promoted more as a key point of this edition than Gamoniteiro, but it wasn't in this contest rules.

1st place: Belgian444
I really liked your first and third week of the race. However, with the regions you chose to visit in the second week, you could have made even better stages.

Honorable mention to Mauro, for being the first to submit a tour, staying on topic (on top of contest constraints) for so many stages and being the only contestant making use of the cobbled climb to Ávila walls in his Vuelta (despite not having a stage ending there); however, too many unipuerto stages, and the hardest one in France don't allow me to vote for him despite his good job.
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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5th BETTO --> Not thorougly convinced. Stage 19 is just too much. I also don't like the Gamoniteiru stage as the penultimate stage, with the ITT as the last one. The mid-part of the Vuelta would give place to many breakaways and little GC fight, in my opinion. The Les Planes de Hostoles stage is quite interesting though. Minor note, stage 12 should be high mountain.
4th jibvalverde --> It's a good tour, but it lacks a bit of originality in how the stages are planned out (the only high mountain stage that's not an uphill finish is the Ponferrada one, the same as Ellvey's). I am not convinced about the feasibility of stage 10. Lastly, a general advice: not every single spike should be considered a KOM sprint, your tours always have too many.
3rd JoostvandeBeek --> It's a balanced tour, with some nice stages as stages 15 and 17, but also with some imprecisions. I don't really like stage 11. The Parque Eólico Lubián finish does not seem feasible in terms of fundings, and not the best in terms of practicality either. In general, your entry is a bit too much on the hard side, with too many KOMs (sometimes, climbs that won't make a difference in stages that end with a very tough MTF) and high mountain stages (considering that you didn't count stage 15 as high mountain), and I would've added a flat stage instead of stage 13 or 14.
2nd jajoejoe --> It's a good route, with a main flaw: the race lacks originality (the Covadonga-Gamoniteiru double in the last week is the same of the real Vuelta route, you also repeated the Valdepenas de Jaen finale, and the Alto de Velefique). However, some very interesting stages (stage 6 and 15 in particular) grant you a spot in my personal top 5.
1st Belgian4444 --> The first week could've been a bit more entertaining (although I do like stage 8), and you choose too many uphill finishes with easy gradients (not really the Vuelta style), but your tour comes around nicely in weeks two and three, even though an extra high mountain stage would have not been a bad idea. Stage 19 last descent might be a bit too dangerous though.
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mauro --> Not really fond of your mountain stages, they are either unipuertos, or in any case the last mountain is the most diffilcult. Another thing I don't like is that France is in the route, even though Emmea suggested to avoid it.
lukkier --> I don't like the idea of writing new rules for intermediate sprints. Most of the - too many - high mountain stages look the same, there is no real variation in terms of stage profiles.
Diego12Alpe --> There are some interesting stages, but I really don't like that the last of the only four chances for sprinters is at stage 10. A big portion of the peloton would simply abandon the Vuelta. Many medium mountain stages could see breakaway finishes without any GC battle, given the lack of tough gradients (). Plus, Emmea mentioned that France was not the best idea, and you put a Port de Larrau MTF (quite frankly, difficult to see who'd fund that arrival).
ellvey --> A sort of weak Vuelta in my opinion, and the last week in particular. The Ponferrada stage is the only positive exception. I would've liked seeing harder mountain stages.
Will4563 --> The Burgos restriction is not respected.
drmeanfield --> The French part of the Roncesvalles stage is not doable, the roads are extremely narrow and the descents too dangerous. Plus it was suggested by Emmea to avoid France. About the rest, it's a risky-designed Vuelta: many stages could have a lot of battling going on, but many could just be a bust. In any case, I do like stage 20.
Werfer --> There are, in my opinion, some issues with the overall design of the Vuelta: transfer from Ejea de los Caballeros to Alcaniz is over 2 hours, nothing unseen at the Vuelta, but it could have been thought out better; on a similar note, I don't like that stage 11 has most of its flat part on a highway; the Sierra de Carrascoy arrival looks impossible to me. I don't like the almost complete absence of days for sprinters, you can't expect GC riders to fight for the leadership everyday (and it won't happen, with many of your mountain stages likely to end in a double digit breakaway with zero fight from behind). Also, the high mountain stages could've been aided by some more variety in profiles. as for lukkier, I don't like the idea of writing new rules for intermediate sprints.
benoît.guillot --> The Burgos restriction is (arguably, I admit) not respected. In any case, I think that starting the grand tour with an inner city circuit is not a good idea.
lennert --> The Burgos restriction is not respected.
Jekp --> Too many unipuertos as high mountain stages, it is true that how Vueltas usually unfold but the aim here is to improve it.
improb --> The Burgos restriction is not respected.
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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FIFTH PLACE: Werfer
Lack of hilly stages. Bit too many stages with a tough climb -> downhill -> short uphill finish.

FOURTH PLACE: davandluz
Lack of hilly stages.

THIRD PLACE: JoostvandeBeek
Hilly stages also lacking, but there are some. Yet I don't think the true hill specialists would shine in those.

SECOND PLACE: lukkier
Quite realistic, but I don't think a lot of mountain stages would invite for an early move. Lots of waiting until the final climb.

FIRST PLACE: jajoejoe
Maybe a bit too easy, but well balanced.
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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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Re: Contest #8 - La Vuelta 2021 [Cat. 1] - Voting

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Ranking
Werfer 38
Jajoejoe 33
Belgian4444 24
Ellvey 19
Joostvandebeek 15
Drmeanfield 13
Davandluz 10
Diego12Alpe 8
Lukkier 7
Jibvalverde 6
Will4563 4
Betto 1
Benoit.guillot -4
Jekp -6
Mauro -6
Improb -10
Lennert -10
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