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Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 23/04/2018, 9:42
by emmea90
Contest #4 - Spring Classics (Category 2) - Voting

In this topic you can vote for the Winter Stage Races, according to the following rules.


How to vote

1 - You have to judge the track according to the requirements. This time I'll link the topic because it's too long to quote. Check the post
2 - You have to write in a post your best FIVE routes, from worse to best, providing a brief motivation for each choice




How does it work?
- First choice got 6 points, second 4, third 3, fourth 2 and fifth 1 point.
- Presentation bonus grant you 3 points (we will add later with penalties who took the bonus)
- Ranking will be made according to points obtained
- In case of equality I will decide the winner
- You can also comment other people's reviews regarding your or other one's routes

Who can vote?
- Every user that submitted a contest (full points vote)
- Every user in the La Flamme Rouge Staff (Emmea90, Pigna, Sagan99, Matthorse, Nasdon33, Linkinito, Bose12)
- Every user that has registered BEFORE 13 march 2018 and has at least 10 tracks in the editor. In this case, his votes counts half of the points scale

- Every user that submitted a contest and doesn't submit a valid vote (with 5 choices and motivations) will get a 10 points penalty for all his routes.
- It's FORBBIDDEN to ask for votes. Who will be caught public or privately asking for a vote to some users will get a 50 points penalty in first instance, then the exclusion from all the contests of the year
- Vote penalties for unpracticable routes will be assigned by staff during this phase

Deadline for vote phase is 7 may 2018, h 23.59 (two weeks)

Submitted Routes:
Ded-Moroz: maps/tours/view/8793
Belgian4444: maps/tours/view/8730
Jibvalverde: maps/tours/view/8749
Alfa: maps/tours/view/8766
Simone.galbiati: maps/tours/view/8826
Az1234t: maps/tours/view/8785
Rmax85: maps/tours/view/8723
StCa90: maps/tours/view/8728
Lorenzo.Tripodi: maps/tours/view/8998
xflyinghighx: maps/tours/view/9017
pabloagb: maps/tours/view/8939
Pincoletto: maps/tours/view/9053
taaramae_crack: maps/tours/view/9060
Diego12Alpe: maps/tours/view/8719

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 23/04/2018, 12:05
by xflyinghighx
I can't open the tours of az1234t and pabloagb.

Edit: the link of az1234t tour is wrong. You have to leave out the contest/. I can open it now. Pabloagb's tour seems to be private

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 23/04/2018, 13:38
by pabloagb
xflyinghighx wrote:
23/04/2018, 12:05
I can't open the tours of az1234t and pabloagb.

Edit: the link of az1234t tour is wrong. You have to leave out the contest/. I can open it now. Pabloagb's tour seems to be private
I forgot to make it public. 59@@ I think it is fixed now. I hope you like it!

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 23/04/2018, 13:45
by xflyinghighx
pabloagb wrote:
23/04/2018, 13:38
I forgot to make it public. 59@@ I think it is fixed now. I hope you like it!
The tour is public now. But the stages are not.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 23/04/2018, 16:11
by pabloagb
xflyinghighx wrote:
23/04/2018, 13:45
pabloagb wrote:
23/04/2018, 13:38
I forgot to make it public. 59@@ I think it is fixed now. I hope you like it!
The tour is public now. But the stages are not.
Check them again. It should be fixed now.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 23/04/2018, 18:37
by jibvalverde
My vote:

Fifth place - Rmax85

The routes of the Ronde and Roubaix are very good, balanced but the Amstel may be summed up in a hill climb like Huy while the SanRemo Grappa is, I think, a little hard.

Fourth place : Belgian4444

An excellent Gent-Wevelgem, two good Roubaix, a well-defined Flèche, a simple but effective Strade, a SanRemo 2 too hard and not sure that the Cipressa borrowed in the SanRemo 1 is accessible for the tifosi.

Third place : Ded-Moroz

A Belgian Roubaix high level with sectors that were unknown to me, a very good SanRemo 2, an All-Ronde with an excellent final but two races bothered me: the Strade (the finish is misplaced, the last difficulty too close to arrival) and the Ronde van Vlaanderen 2, where there is nothing after the Wall of Grammont). After, your Ardennes are safe, even if I regret the descent of Keutenberg, impossible in real, and the presence of the Haute-Levée in the final of the Flèche.

Second Place : Alfa

A high level contest for Alfra with a very good racing set, with the SanRemo 1 in promotion's major. The simple addition of Terozrio makes the race perfectly balanced. The rest is good even if the two Ronde van Vlaanderen would have deserved better finals.

First Place : Pincoletto

Liege-Bastogne-Liège perfectly drawn, with the classic ribs but a new final, a Roubaix Belgian style, very intense alternating short sectors and long sectors, Strade well arranged with not too rough mountains, long white dirt roads and a Final difficult but not too much, three perfect SanRemo, only the Amstel is a little frustrating without the Keutenberg and with a Cauberg far from the finish

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 24/04/2018, 10:53
by Belgian4444
Just a note (before I'm going to look like a cynical bastard ;) ): I'm just going to point out the issues I have with the best routes. If I didn't mention a stage, it means I think it's good.

Fifth Place: Diego12Alpe

Omloop & Strade are too easy in my opinion. Early start of the final in Gent-Wevelgem, not sure how that would work out in reality. RVV2 is more an Amstel Gold Race in Flanders, but it's an interesting choice. P-R1 is madness with the amount of secteurs.

Fourth Place: Alfa

Strade is good, but there's one very dangerous downhill portion on white roads. Difficulty in Wevelgem is raised by plugstreets instead of climbs, personally I'm not a fan of that. Last 30km of AGR is a bit of an anti-climax after the first well-made portion. FW2 seems a bit too easy.

Third place: taaramae_crack

I like the route, but for some reason I have an issue with the Muurs: in the omloop it's too far from the finish, in RVV2 it's too easy after Geraardsbergen & in FW1 Huy is just a bit too far from the Ereffe.

Second Place: xflyinghighx

Omloop is ok, but you used the Kwaremont, which is already in KBK the day after it. MS1 is still too easy. FW2 also seems a bit easy, with only the last 10km being interesting.

First Place: Rmax85

Same issue with Omloop. I'm not sure if the Via Duca really helps attacks, but I've seen it in a lot of the routes so I might be wrong. In RVV2 there's no Koppenberg, which isn't necessary, but it could do no harm to include if after the Pater I think. But I see no major problems in any of your routes, so a well deserved first place!

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 24/04/2018, 11:07
by xflyinghighx
I evaluated every single task and gave away points for the first three place (3 for the 1st, 2 for the 2nd and 1 for the 3rd) of every task. And then I added the points to list the five best participants.

FIFTH PLACE Belgian4444
I liked his Omloop the most. And he had some more good races.

It was close between him and Belgian4444. His best race was the Belgian cobbled classic which gave him the nod for the fourth place.

He was the best in three tasks in my opinion: the Ronde with the Kemmelberg, Paris - Roubaix and the Flache Waollone with the Mur de Huy in the end.

He came up first in two tasks. His Gent - Wevelgem and the third Milano-Sanremo came up first. But it was his consitency which placed him second.

FIRST PLACE Pincoletto
He won because he was most consistent. He only was first in one task which was the first Milano-Sanremo. But he scored in 9 of the 14 tasks which is enough to earn the first place in my vote

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 24/04/2018, 19:13
by Alfa

5th place : Rmax85

I find all classics pretty well made, except 3 Milan - Sanremo that I find too difficult.

4th place : Pincoletto

I dont especially like your routes expect one, the strade bianche. I find it very cool with some nice sectors at the end of the race.

3rd place : Diego12Alpe

I find your races well made. I just find your Venezia Sassuolo a little bit too hard with the last climb, and the FW2 strange with that finish on Ferme Libert, where there is nothing on top.

2nd place : xflyinghighx

All your races are cool. But I have a problem with your PR2, too much cobbled sectors and only 2 in the last 20 km.

1st place : taaramae_crack

Clearly my favourite track. I only find in RVV2, that Muur is a bit too far away from finish, so it can maybe cause not too much attacks.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 03/05/2018, 14:20
by Ded-Moroz
Fifth place - 1 point Belgian4444
Good Omloop, normal hilly claasics, but MSR2 is very hard for sprinters and RVV1 is longer than necessary.

Fourth place - 2 points Rmax85
Perfect MSR3, however in PR1 cobbles sectoins is very more, and in LBL start is not from Liege(not good).

Third place - 3 points StCa90
Well SB, OHN and MSR3, but Amstel is very long and there is nothing after Cauberg.

Second place - 4 points taaramae_crack
All versions of MSR is good, LBL is ok, but I think OHN is easy.

First place - 6 points Pincoletto
I thought it is impossible, but you can made all races perfectly.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 04/05/2018, 14:59
by Pincoletto
5th - Rmax85 - 1 point; all classics are good, except 3 Milano - Sanremo (too strong) and Amstel.

4th - Alfa - 2 points; not an excellent performance, but all races are perfectly balanced.

3th - Diego12Alpe - 3 points; the 1st Milano - Sanremo are probably the best, but all races are good except 2nd and 3th Milano - Sanremo.

2nd - Pabloagb - 4 points; good work but i don't like the Gent - Wevelgem, the 1st Ronde and the Liège - Bastogne - Liège.

1st - taaramae_crack - 6 points; all races are perfectly, except 1st Ronde and 2nd Flèche Wallonne.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 04/05/2018, 17:57
by lorenzo.tripodi
5th : Simone.galbiati maps/tours/view/8826

Very interesting as routes, I like how you designed the Milan-Sanremo. Good job

4th : Belgian4444 maps/tours/view/8730

I really liked how you designed this classic campaign. Bravo in finding different places as in the case of Sanremo and to research the show in the classics of the pavè.

3th: Alfa maps/tours/view/8766

Woow. You've created a tough Strade Bianche for tough runners and GGs. The other classics are particularly well done in the Omloop.

2th: Pincoletto maps/tours/view/9053

Let's start from the end, you have created a simply deadly Liege suitable for strong people on the snags or at the bottom. Infernal Paris-Roubaix, with 32 paved sectors. Really good.

1th: taaramae_crack maps/tours/view/9060

For me you're the best I've seen on this list. Strade Bianche hard, with many ups and downs and dirt roads. The Milano-Sanremo 1 simply beautiful because it is designed for every type of cyclist, especially the most complete ones. Very good.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 06/05/2018, 20:00
by Diego12Alpe
FIFTH PLACE: taaramae_crack

A good Omploop. I like you Gent-Wevekgem, I think it's really good designed. I don't like your Ronde Van Vlaanderen 2 because at the end of the race there aren't much cobbled sectors or hills. And I think your last four classic are a little bit simple.

FOURTH PLACE: jibvalverde

Your Strade-Bianche it's too short. I like your three Milano-Sanremo and all of your last four classic are so good.


Maybe your Omloop don't have a good numbre of cobbled sectors and hills, and I don't like your design of Strade-Bianche. But I think your Gent-Wevelgem and your Liege-Bastogne-Liege are perfectly made.

SECOND PLACE: pabloagb

I think your Strade-Bianche is good but maybe a little short. Your Milano-Sanremo 2 & 3 are so good because all can happen because it's a race that can be decided in sprint or in attack. I like your Fleche-Wallonie 1 & 2 because it has a lot of hills and I think that's good for the race.


I like to much your races. I like to much Milano-Sanremo 2 & 3. Paris-Roubaix have a good number of cobbles sectors and the two Fleche Wallones have a good design and a good number of hills at the end to see a good race.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 07/05/2018, 0:23
by taaramae_crack
Fifth place: Alfa -> Don't have any special route which I really love (maybe LBL, I find it quite original), but also any of them displeases me, which is something that few contestants were able to do. In general terms, you tried to innovate in almost all of your routes, something good to see in not an easy contest like this was.

Fourth place: pabloabg -> I liked specially your three Milano-Sanremos, with enough hardness to have some attacks, but not too many for having a possible reduced sprint. Most of your races are correct, but some of them are too hard, like the second Flèche Wallonne, that it's also raced in "LBL territory".

Third place: StCa90 -> Possibly one of the best Strade Bianche of the contest, the only inconvenience of it, the final location, I think Buonconvento is a little bit "random" place for such a race like it's the Strade. Also RVV courses are very interesting, though the first one is way too long (278 km) and the second one maybe has Muur quite far away, I like that position, but that wasn't what the challenge was about.

Second place: Belgian4444 -> I specially enjoyed your last Sanremo, your Gent-Wevelgem, with that tricky terrain just after Kemmelberg and your LBL, with new hills through all the course. Also very interesting first RVV, with that nice finale in Geraardsbergen, but I would preferred maybe the Muur a bit far away from the finish line. Great job there by the way.

First place: Pincoletto -> For me, a job that is a step above from the rest. Good and well executed ideas in most of your classics. My favorite ones: Verona MSR, Gent Wevelgem, and the second RVV. Maybe a bit soft Amstel Gold Race, at least in the last part, but great route anyway. Congratulations.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 07/05/2018, 15:50
by simone.galbiati
FIFTH PLACE - ded moroz
omloop is very good, as much as other flemish classics. I dont like Milano Sanremos so much, and also Strade Bianche is good but not perfect.

FOURTH PLACE - diego12alpe
strade bianche is good. sanremo 1 and 3 ok. Sondrio i don't think is in liguria but is a nice track. on the other hand, good ardennes classics, amstel in particular.

THIRD PLACE - belgian444
his strade bianche is beautiful, as much as Sanremo 1 and 3. flanders and roubaix are ok. Too much hard the second Sanremo.

SECOND PLACE - lorenzo.tripodi
i like in particular the flemish classics. they are very difficult. other classics ok, liegi a little bit short. 270km is the perfect lenght for me.

FIRST PLACE - pincoletto
i can't find a bad track in his tour. just perfect.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 07/05/2018, 19:20
by AZ1234T
FIFTH PLACE : Alfa: maps/tours/view/8766
All races are ok.

FOURTH PLACE : Belgian4444 maps/tours/view/8730
The third Milano - Sanremo is one of the best, but Strade Bianche and Milano - Sanremo 2 are so hard.

THIRD PLACE : Ded-Moroz maps/tours/view/8793
Good tour, and good cobble races but I'll like more hard climbs in the final of Amstel, Flèche Wallone 2 and LBL.

SECOND PLACE : Pincoletto:maps/tours/view/9053
Strade Bianche is the best, others races are not bad.

FIRST PLACE : taaramae_crack maps/tours/view/9060
The most regular one, all races are good.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 07/05/2018, 21:27
by CaramelMou
FIFTH PLACE : Belgian4444
The Strade Bianche, the first and the third MSR are quite good but the second one seems a bit hard. And i don't like Namur as a finish of the second FW since i guess it's the same arrival of the GP de Wallonie.

I dit like the three MSR, the Amstel and the LBL. Could have been higher without the uphill finish in Geraardsbergen and the finish just after the Mur de Huy.

THIRD PLACE : Pincoletto
Some good ideas, i like the FW not ending uphill and the Strade Bianche. I guess we could have a little more cobbles in the belgian Paris Roubaix.

SECOND PLACE : pabloagb
I dit like the strade bianche, if it's a rainy day like this year, it might be epic with so much kilometers on white roads. The three MSR are good and i like both FW, specially the second one, with that easy uphill finish.

FIRST PLACE : taaramae_crack
A really good job overall, i don't have anything to say except that two capi are missing for the first MSR.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 07/05/2018, 22:25
by Rmax85
Hello guys

I have made my classification in giving on every classic a note on five which give me a final ranking.

5th : Taarame_crack

You lose points on Omloop and Fleche Walonne 1 but I give you 5 for Roubaix 2 and MSR 2

4th : Belgian4444

A very good tour in general. I give you five for Omloop, Amstel and Fleche Walonne 1. You lose points on MSR 1 and 2.

3rd : pabloagb

You have the same number of points as xflyinghighx. I just don't like Liège and Ronde 1. Everything else is very coherent.

2nd : xflyinghighx

A very good set well tracked. It's a shame for MSR 2 and 3

1st : pincoletto

The best tour. I relly like Liège, MSR 2 and 3 and Roubaix 2

Congratulations to all. Yhe ranking was really hard to do.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 08/05/2018, 9:19
by pabloagb
The best Strade Bianche, IMO, decent races overall, except for the MSR clones.
I liked many of the ideas behind the classics, particularly in Belgium, but the MSRs need some changes.
THIRD PLACE xflyinghighx
It is a very good all-rounder, but it could have been better if the Strade Bianche and FW2 were different. I think there were better options there.
SECOND PLACE taaramae_crack
It is tough to put you in second place because you did nothing wrong. Great work. When you had to follow strict instructions, you did it brilliantly, and when you had more freedom, you created some great races.
FIRST PLACE Pincoletto
You got first because you did as well as taaramae crack, but I think your FW2, Strade and Amstel are a little bit better.

I know I missed the deadline but when I tried to send my vote yesterday evening, the site crashed. Anyway, I enjoyed taking part in this challenge and I believe we have all done a good job. For me, it was both the hardest and funniest challenge so far.

Re: Spring Classics - Voting

Posted: 08/05/2018, 23:51
by emmea90
1 Pincoletto 53,5
2 taaramae_crack 43
3 Rmax85 24
4 pabloagb 22
5 Alfa 19
6 xflyinghighx 18
7 Belgian4444 17,5
8 Diego12Alpe 15
9 Ded-Moroz 10
10 Lorenzo.Tripodi 7
11 Az1234t 3
12 Jibvalverde 2
13 Simone.galbiati 1
14 StCa90 -2

New Ranking
Pr8 160
Mike4296 110
Taaramae_crack 97
Pincoletto 85
Dennis1107 70
Rmax85 57
Belgian4444 45
Ded-Moroz 35
PaoloAgb 30
Mountain Master 20
Alfa 20
antoinvds 15
xflyinghighx 15
mels2309 11
tomrenm 7
Diego12Alpe 7
pesallu 5
Lorenzo.tripodi 3
Pereiroseleccion 2
Az1234t 1